March 3, 200422 yr On TV for the Mets against the Dodgers. He got them in order and did a nice job moving the ball. Was throwing his fastball between 86-88. Franco said he's probably the future closer. He looked pretty smooth out there and no one even got close to hitting him hard.
March 3, 200422 yr This will stop those tears... He had Ray Durham's name there first.. Not till I did some research.
March 3, 200422 yr Not till I did some research. Like checking which year and to what team the trade took place...
March 3, 200422 yr Like checking which year and to what team the trade took place... Yup all of that.
March 3, 200422 yr Author Tell me again who we traded Ring, et al, for and why? Rupe was the guy the Sox will miss, imo. They traded them for a chance to win it all and on paper they had the best team in the AL, imo. Unfortunately Manuel and the players failed.
March 3, 200422 yr I kinda wish we had a guy like Hummel still to play the infield for us, as a utility guy at the least. Also, :begood is pretty entertaining, I will agree with that
March 3, 200422 yr Rupe was the guy the Sox will miss, imo. They traded them for a chance to win it all and on paper they had the best team in the AL, imo. Unfortunately Manuel and the players failed. I agree as well. Royce Ring is no great shakes. Fastball in the 86-88 range? BLAH! There are not many lefties that become good closers either. There are a few here and there such as Guardado and Franco, but it is rare. However, Rupe was a really good prospect. I didn't like to see him go. I also believe the players and especially Manuel failed us last year. In my opinion we could have done a lot of damage last year if we could have just made the playoffs.
March 4, 200422 yr This will stop those tears... He had Ray Durham's name there first.. LOL, nice to see u doin sum research on da Sox there BEGOOD.
March 4, 200422 yr I had to teach a lab today, and the students wanted to bag it and go to Dodgertown for the game today. I was a hard ass and told them no. The poor schlubs don't know my department is taking Friday off for Dodgers/Braves.
March 4, 200422 yr Rupe was the guy the Sox will miss, imo. They traded them for a chance to win it all and on paper they had the best team in the AL, imo. Unfortunately Manuel and the players failed. The problem is the players failed in April and May, forcing KW to be in a position to make that trade. If the Sox get off to a better start, deadline deals may not have been necessary.
March 4, 200422 yr The last two threads I've read, I've seen criticism of the Sox because they don't make deadline deals, and criticism because they did.
March 4, 200422 yr I agree as well. Royce Ring is no great shakes. Fastball in the 86-88 range? BLAH! There are not many lefties that become good closers either. There are a few here and there such as Guardado and Franco, but it is rare. However, Rupe was a really good prospect. I didn't like to see him go. I also believe the players and especially Manuel failed us last year. In my opinion we could have done a lot of damage last year if we could have just made the playoffs. dont forget billy wagner this organization failed its fans from top to bottom...even man soo lee can share some of the blame
March 4, 200422 yr The problem is the players failed in April and May, forcing KW to be in a position to make that trade. If the Sox get off to a better start, deadline deals may not have been necessary. I don't want to take any of the blame away from the players because they were so deserving of it but I have to give JM an equal share too. No way should a team start out a championship season as flat as the Sox did in KC. That and one good April/May in six seasons for JM is simply unacceptable, not with the firepower he had.
March 4, 200422 yr BeGood, We traded Ray Durham for Jon Adkins. It's still hard to gauge Adkins' progress, since he was a one-pitch pitcher who was learning a change of pace pitch (and I assume he's still learning it). So far, his pitching hasn't been all that, but at least his diet has helped a lot of people.
March 4, 200422 yr dont forget billy wagner Billy Wagner threw slightly higher than the 86-88 range with his fastball.
March 4, 200422 yr BeGood, We traded Ray Durham for Jon Adkins. It's still hard to gauge Adkins' progress, since he was a one-pitch pitcher who was learning a change of pace pitch (and I assume he's still learning it). So far, his pitching hasn't been all that, but at least his diet has helped a lot of people. Thank you Pastime, also we traded Durham to the A's and he is now on the Giants , see what researching does for me. . I do miss Durham though.
March 4, 200422 yr I don't want to take any of the blame away from the players because they were so deserving of it but I have to give JM an equal share too. No way should a team start out a championship season as flat as the Sox did in KC. That and one good April/May in six seasons for JM is simply unacceptable, not with the firepower he had. I agree UNS.... I wasn't intending to exclude JM, I was just trying not to rehash exactly the same thing.
March 4, 200422 yr dont forget billy wagner this organization failed its fans from top to bottom...even man soo lee can share some of the blame Ahh yes, good catch. Billy Wagner!
March 4, 200422 yr i dont mind giving up a junk ball reliever for a guy we keep one year...building a bullpen is the easiest part of any GM's job...you can get quality pitchers for under a million dollars..those guys are very replacable... building a bullpen seems to be the one area KW excels in..shows you how easy it is
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