June 4, 200421 yr I'm wondering if Ozzie will bump FRank into the #3 spot or insert someone else. With the way Kong has been hitting, moving him to #4 and bumoing Frank up seems like the best solution. If Uribe continues his numbers, he may look good at #3.
June 4, 200421 yr Frank has already been hitting in the three hole with Maggs out. Lee is in the four spot.
June 4, 200421 yr I'm wondering if Ozzie will bump FRank into the #3 spot or insert someone else. With the way Kong has been hitting, moving him to #4 and bumoing Frank up seems like the best solution. If Uribe continues his numbers, he may look good at #3. Ozzie has stated that Frank will be his #3 and Carlos his #4 whenever Magglio is out.
June 4, 200421 yr Since Mags' has been out, Frank's been in the 3 spot. I think it only makes sense to continue doing that. With the exception of the Oakland series, the lineup's been getting the job this way.
June 4, 200421 yr Paulie's been hittin well at the #5 spot, I'd leave him there with Gload or Valentin at #6. Lee seems to be hittin betta as well at the #4 spot and we need him to now.
June 4, 200421 yr Author My thinking was more aong the lines of this may be 4-7 weeks not day-to-day and Ozzie may rethink the lineup.
June 4, 200421 yr Paulie's been hittin well at the #5 spot, I'd leave him there with Gload or Valentin at #6. Lee seems to be hittin betta as well at the #4 spot and we need him to now. I have no issues with how that's going. Just as long as we get some damn runs for our starters.
June 4, 200421 yr I have no issues with how that's going. Just as long as we get some damn runs for our starters. Exactly, i don't care how he puts the line-up out there really as long as they score.
June 4, 200421 yr Count me as one who thinks there needs to be some reshuffling with maggs gone. If you have Frank in the #3 and Lee in the #4 we have a problem. It's been demonstrated already. Lee is batting .129 w/ 2out, RISP. How often is he going to be comenig up with 2 out and a man on second or third in the 1st inning? A lot. Lee should either bat third, where he's thrived before. Or hit 5th behind Konerko/Valentin, Depending on the pitcher. Konerko's hitting .381 w/ 2out RISP. His OBP is great this year. and he's hitting at the same rate as lee, except with power. (11 HR to 4)
June 4, 200421 yr Count me as one who thinks there needs to be some reshuffling with maggs gone. If you have Frank in the #3 and Lee in the #4 we have a problem. It's been demonstrated already. Lee is batting .129 w/ 2out, RISP. How often is he going to be comenig up with 2 out and a man on second or third in the 1st inning? A lot. Lee should either bat third, where he's thrived before. Or hit 5th behind Konerko/Valentin, Depending on the pitcher. Konerko's hitting .381 w/ 2out RISP. His OBP is great this year. and he's hitting at the same rate as lee, except with power. (11 HR to 4) If Lee is gonna be hittin in that 4 spot, he's gonna have to pick up the power #'s...Like you pointed out, he's only got 4.. Although we've played better small bal, this year, we still need to rely on the HR alot of the time.
June 5, 200421 yr Lee is batting .129 w/ 2out, RISP. How often is he going to be comenig up with 2 out and a man on second or third in the 1st inning? A lot. Cheat, that must be such a small sample size that it really isn't a fair stat. Has our lineup really not been scoring since Maggs has been hurt? May 20th - 10 Runs May 26th - 4 Runs May 27th - 9 Runs May 28th - 4 Runs May 29th - 1 Run May 30th - 11 Runs June 1st - 4 Runs June 2nd - 2 Runs June 3rd - 4 Runs 9 games - 6 wins and a 6 run per game average. I say the lineup is fine with Frank hitting third and Carlos Lee hitting 4th. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
June 5, 200421 yr Cheat, that must be such a small sample size that it really isn't a fair stat. He has the most 2 Out RISP AB's of anyone on the team... It's a sign of a changed mentality when he's at the plate in that situation, because his overall RISP average (of which 2 out, RISP is a subset) is decent at .268. Which means that he has a different approach when there's fewer than 2 outs and a RISP. He has had a 2 out RISP hit in each of his last two games though. So he should be up to about .145 now. --------- I just report the stat's that I find surprising. Carlos led the team last year in 2 out, RISP situations. I know he can do it. I'm just pointing out that he hasn't been getting it done.
June 5, 200421 yr Right now, this is working. If it fails to continue, then Ozzie can address it and make some changes.
June 5, 200421 yr He has the most 2 Out RISP AB's of anyone on the team... It's a sign of a changed mentality when he's at the plate in that situation, because his overall RISP average (of which 2 out, RISP is a subset) is decent at .268. Which means that he has a different approach when there's fewer than 2 outs and a RISP. He has had a 2 out RISP hit in each of his last two games though. So he should be up to about .145 now. --------- I just report the stat's that I find surprising. Carlos led the team last year in 2 out, RISP situations. I know he can do it. I'm just pointing out that he hasn't been getting it done. I understand that. However, the sample size you are taking is so small that it is meaningless. I agree with YASNY, if the lineup stops working then Ozzie can address making changes. Until then, why mess with something that is working? The lineup is scoring. op 8th Ball:1 Strike: 1 Out: 0 Willie Harris singles on a ground ball to right fielder Ichiro Suzuki. Juan Uribe out on a sacrifice bunt, pitcher Freddy Garcia to first baseman John Olerud. Willie Harris to 2nd. Frank Thomas strikes out swinging. Top 8th Ball:1 Strike: 1 Out: 2 Carlos Lee doubles (13) on a line drive to center fielder Randy Winn. Willie Harris scores.
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