Hatchetman Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 ..when evaluating the trade. We've got him for half a season. At the end of the season we have the chance to sign him just like every other team. If we had not traded for him, we'd still have the chance to sign him to a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That's not quite correct. We can re-sign him today, where as no other MLB team can. That's huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I think he'll be signed sometime soon. Just a gut feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 He's only going to sign if he believes he's getting "fair market value." Assuming he's going to get "fair market value", it doesn't matter when we sign him. He gets it all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That's not quite correct. We can re-sign him today, where as no other MLB team can. That's huge. and here is hoping his best friend status with Ozzie comes into play... somehow I suspect it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 and here is hoping his best friend status with Ozzie comes into play... somehow I suspect it does Normally, I consider intangibles like that as wishful thinking. But, in this case, I'm like you. I think there is something to this possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 and here is hoping his best friend status with Ozzie comes into play... somehow I suspect it does I believe this 'fact' is huge in getting him resigned. Kenny said this morning that he thinks the Sox have a "better than 60% chance of resigning him" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 28, 2004 Author Share Posted June 28, 2004 Just curious... How many million is FG willing to give up to play with his buddy? That way we can better analyze the trade.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Ozzie made a joke that Freddie should take a 2 million dollar pay cut because he'll always be eating over at his house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 I just hope we can re-sign Garcia, I feel we gave up a lot in the Trade. I hope we're getting the Garcia is Dominant. Another Problem is JR doesn't like to givve up big contracts to Pitchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That's been true historically, but historically, he's been right. Two guys that come to mind immediately: Colon McDowell both wanted huge contracts (or huger than we would offer), didn't get them, got out of town, and promptly sucked. The guy we did give the huge contract to was Navarro. If you take a look back, I'll think you'll find that JR has been vindicated in not offering the huge contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Normally, I consider intangibles like that as wishful thinking. But, in this case, I'm like you. I think there is something to this possibility. In a perfect world, I agree with you. But FG is 27 years old. He's going to want some security. The Sox have zero history of long term deals with pitchers panning out. I can't see them deviating much from that format. Hopefully FG considers a 3 year deal for I doubt much more time than that will be offered. Just a feeling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That's been true historically, but historically, he's been right. Two guys that come to mind immediately: Colon McDowell both wanted huge contracts (or huger than we would offer), didn't get them, got out of town, and promptly sucked. The guy we did give the huge contract to was Navarro. If you take a look back, I'll think you'll find that JR has been vindicated in not offering the huge contract. Oye ve Jason Bere.... :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 If you take a look back, I'll think you'll find that JR has been vindicated in not offering the huge contract. For the most part, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Oye ve Jason Bere.... :puke LOL.. I'm a poet & didn't even know it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Oye ve Jason Bere.... :puke forgot about that guy. what was his deal again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 and here is hoping his best friend status with Ozzie comes into play... somehow I suspect it does Obviously it will have some bearing on FG's decision. I think the requisite deferrals, incentives, and lack of years pitchers seek common to contracts offered up by JR and Co. will have more bearing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 and here is hoping his best friend status with Ozzie comes into play... somehow I suspect it does How much is playing for your best friend worth? $1,000,000? $5,000,000? Garcia has already mentioned a couple times it's business on the field. I'll bet that will include in his lawyers office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 forgot about that guy. what was his deal again? He got hurt after which he was never better than average. At least he pitched in the LCS which is more than can be said for McDowell or Fernandez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 At least he pitched in the LCS which is more than can be said for McDowell or Fernandez Mcdowell pitched in the LCS with the sox in 1993 and with the Yanks in 1995 and with the tribe too. Fernandez went to the World Series with the Marlins and pitched in the LCS in 1993 with the sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guardianangel00 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 The only thing that worries me about this trade is resigning Garcia. I heard on ESPN radio yesterday about 4-5 pm that Seattle had told before the trade that trading him had no reflection on how they felt about him. It was about making the Mariners better. They also said on ESPN radio that Seattle had told Garcia that at the end of the season the Mariners were going to try to re-sign him again. That is what worries me the most about this trade...to give up three young players to rent a pitcher for half a year and then loose him back to his previous team. I do hope the Sox sign him long term before the season is up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 Rent-A-Player. Where KW shops every June and July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 The only thing that worries me about this trade is resigning Garcia. I heard on ESPN radio yesterday about 4-5 pm that Seattle had told before the trade that trading him had no reflection on how they felt about him. It was about making the Mariners better. They also said on ESPN radio that Seattle had told Garcia that at the end of the season the Mariners were going to try to re-sign him again. That is what worries me the most about this trade...to give up three young players to rent a pitcher for half a year and then loose him back to his previous team. I do hope the Sox sign him long term before the season is up... That is so much BS on Seattle's part. They determined several weeks ago that they were not going to attempt to resign Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 That is so much BS on Seattle's part. They determined several weeks ago that they were not going to attempt to resign Garcia. In Gammons' article from May 28th, it says that the Mariners "aren't even going to attempt to re-sign Garcia after this season." Somebody's fibbin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 28, 2004 Share Posted June 28, 2004 How many million is FG willing to give up to play with his buddy? No million. He will go to the highest bidder. Baseball has no heart in it anymore. He will go to the Yanks if the Yanks want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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