BobDylan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Whoa! Easy there, Hoss. I'm not dictating anything. It's an expressed opinion. An expressed opinion isn't said in the definitive choice of words you selected. You made yourself sound as the judge deciding the ruling of an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 An expressed opinion isn't said in the definitive choice of words you selected. You made yourself sound as the judge deciding the ruling of an argument. Excuse the hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Excuse the hell out of me. Forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Forget it. I had that, and more, coming. I'm sitting here, stuck at work, feeling half sick. Please take into consideration that I'm not quite myself tonight, and accept my apologies for that smart ass reply I made. It was uncalled for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Besides being a major health risk, Koskie won't help the Sox cut down on strikeouts. In fact, his k rate is worse than Crede's. He draws more walks, but not by much. I'm not saying he's a bad player, only that signing him will do little to correct the slugging-imbalance on the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Besides being a major health risk, Koskie won't help the Sox cut down on strikeouts. In fact, his k rate is worse than Crede's. He draws more walks, but not by much. I'm not saying he's a bad player, only that signing him will do little to correct the slugging-imbalance on the Sox. For all the talk of Koskie being a "health risk" [he's been injured, yes] he hasn't missed many games. 2000- 140 games; 2001--153 games; 2002--140 games; 2003--131 games. Shows me he's a grinder, who can play hurt, and has always come up big vs the sox. With Uribe around, Koskie can take time off vs LHP. Koskie wouldn't single handedly remake the Sox. But his career avg's of .280/ .374/ .461 would make the sox better than Crede's .256/ .303/ .430. Koskie could get on base far better than Crede or Valentin, even w/ his K's, and has for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 For all the talk of Koskie being a "health risk" [he's been injured, yes] he hasn't missed many games. 2000- 140 games; 2001--153 games; 2002--140 games; 2003--131 games. Shows me he's a grinder, who can play hurt, and has always come up big vs the sox. With Uribe around, Koskie can take time off vs LHP. Koskie wouldn't single handedly remake the Sox. But his career avg's of .280/ .374/ .461 would make the sox better than Crede's .256/ .303/ .430. Koskie could get on base far better than Crede or Valentin, even w/ his K's, and has for years. As you and I have been saying, he (Koskie) would be one small piece of the puzzle in terms of a rebuilt Sox infield. Guillen continues to drop big hints that Uribe will be the super sub guy in 2005. This all comes down to how Guillen and KW feel about Crede ... and more importantly, what can you get for him. Seems to me Crede can fetch the Sox some good pitching. Certainly not a good starter, I believe they'll go the free agent route for that. But can you get a real good bullpen arm, plus a good prospect? Maybe a SS prospect? I bet they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 For all the talk of Koskie being a "health risk" [he's been injured, yes] he hasn't missed many games. 2000- 140 games; 2001--153 games; 2002--140 games; 2003--131 games. Shows me he's a grinder, who can play hurt, and has always come up big vs the sox. With Uribe around, Koskie can take time off vs LHP. Koskie wouldn't single handedly remake the Sox. But his career avg's of .280/ .374/ .461 would make the sox better than Crede's .256/ .303/ .430. Koskie could get on base far better than Crede or Valentin, even w/ his K's, and has for years. For each of the past 3 years, he's played roughly 10 games fewer than the previous year -- you should include this year, because he will at most play 126 games, if he starts playing today -- not likely. He'll probably end the season w/ I never said I prefer Crede to Koskie, because I don't. But saying he'll improve on Crede's performance is pretty faint praise. I think the Sox should move on at 3b. My only point is that the Sox want to cut down on strikeouts. If you make yourself worse in this regard, at this position (3b), it makes it that much more difficult to improve your team's overall strikeout rate -- even though the player is individually a big upgrade. Just something to consider when putting together the team as a whole -- it affects your strategy at other positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Here's a little trade suggestion, I some may not like it, but what about dealing Crede to Atlanta. I don't know if they would do it, considering they get Marte in the minors, but I'd love to get Juan Cruz. Cruz has been pitching very very well out of the pen. I am assuming the Sox could get something else as well, like a solid minor leaguer and Cruz. 4-2, 2.71 ERA, 63.0 Inn, 51 H, 60 K, 30 BB Thats if they are willing to move Chipper back to left next field cause they will have an opening in their outfield with Drew leaving (im assuming he won't resign). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Jason, Sox would love to Juan Cruz, KW likes him. The fly in the ointment is Cruz is cheap for the Braves, and good. Not sure why they'd want to trade him, they had their eyes on him for two years and fleeced Hendry and the Cubs. Plus they have the stud 3B prospect in the minors. Doesn't seem like a match on the surface, but there's no doubt KW likes Juan Cruz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ya, I guess the Braves would have some interest in Konerko as well, but that package would have to include Cruz and someone else. Hell, I doubt they'd give up Horacio but he'd be a very nice pickup. I know KW is intrigued by Cruz, which is why I brought it up. I agree with him because I think he'd be an oustanding pickup for the pen and is future closer material, imo, and to me could be the next Mota in terms of being an awesome setup man. I was thinking about Andy Marte (their 3b prospect) but you never know with the Braves. However, there is no doubt in my mind that either Konerko or Lee would be good fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 The Braves are still fairly high on Cruz -- They feel that Leo may still be able to turn him into a dominant starter -- That said, their patience is running thin. And if Mazzone can't turn him around, I don't think anone can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Also, I think they keep Cruz to take over Russ Ortiz's spot in the rotation. Ortiz is much more likely to end up in Chicago next season than Cruz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Also, I think they keep Cruz to take over Russ Ortiz's spot in the rotation. Ortiz is much more likely to end up in Chicago next season than Cruz. Is it confirmed that Smoltz will be going back to the rotation next year? Is Paul Byrd a FA too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Is it confirmed that Smoltz will be going back to the rotation next year? Is Paul Byrd a FA too? I think that the braves rotation next season will consist of Wright Hampton Thomson Ramirez Cruz/Capellean/Cheap free agrent (see wright/Thomson) Smoltz will be the closer again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 I had that, and more, coming. I'm sitting here, stuck at work, feeling half sick. Please take into consideration that I'm not quite myself tonight, and accept my apologies for that smart ass reply I made. It was uncalled for. It's fine. I crossed the line as well. No hard feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Also, I think they keep Cruz to take over Russ Ortiz's spot in the rotation. Ortiz is much more likely to end up in Chicago next season than Cruz. Yes. Agree 100%. Ortiz's walks bother me, but if we're talking reality here vs. fantasy baseball, KW has always liked Ortiz and I'd bet the Sox go after him big time. On another pitching issue, Sox need to start collecting guys who pound the strike zone. This kid Brandon McCarthy is a great example. Look how fast he's moving through the system. Look at Buehrle's success. Neither had dominating stuff, all they do is win games. Brad Radke = another example. The Sox keep drafting all these "good arm projects" ... Rylan Reed, Rob Purvis, Sean Tracey, Nick Lemon, Wyatt Allen ... the list goes on and on. And they always say, "we've seen something in his mechanics, we can fix him." Oh really? Sean Tracey has a chance but he walked a s***load of guys this year. Why can't they target guys who pound the strike zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Yes. Agree 100%. Ortiz's walks bother me, but if we're talking reality here vs. fantasy baseball, KW has always liked Ortiz and I'd bet the Sox go after him big time. On another pitching issue, Sox need to start collecting guys who pound the strike zone. This kid Brandon McCarthy is a great example. Look how fast he's moving through the system. Look at Buehrle's success. Neither had dominating stuff, all they do is win games. Brad Radke = another example. The Sox keep drafting all these "good arm projects" ... Rylan Reed, Rob Purvis, Sean Tracey, Nick Lemon, Wyatt Allen ... the list goes on and on. And they always say, "we've seen something in his mechanics, we can fix him." Oh really? Sean Tracey has a chance but he walked a s***load of guys this year. Why can't they target guys who pound the strike zone? If I had to guess... those guys all cost too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 On another pitching issue, Sox need to start collecting guys who pound the strike zone. This kid Brandon McCarthy is a great example. Look how fast he's moving through the system. Look at Buehrle's success. Neither had dominating stuff, all they do is win games. Brad Radke = another example. The Sox keep drafting all these "good arm projects" ... Rylan Reed, Rob Purvis, Sean Tracey, Nick Lemon, Wyatt Allen ... the list goes on and on. And they always say, "we've seen something in his mechanics, we can fix him." Oh really? Sean Tracey has a chance but he walked a s***load of guys this year. Why can't they target guys who pound the strike zone? Agreed, strongly. Lemon was a puzzling choice. If he can't get out college hitters w/ a 100 mph fastball, why would you think he'd suddenly put it together in the pros? But, and I know I'm still pretty new here, isn't this getting a bit off-topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Agreed, strongly. Lemon was a puzzling choice. If he can't get out college hitters w/ a 100 mph fastball, why would you think he'd suddenly put it together in the pros? But, and I know I'm still pretty new here, isn't this getting a bit off-topic? Being new here... that happens all of the time. The longer the thread, the more off topic it gets. I guess you could call it Southsider's Law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 11, 2004 Author Share Posted September 11, 2004 Also, I think they keep Cruz to take over Russ Ortiz's spot in the rotation. Ortiz is much more likely to end up in Chicago next season than Cruz. I think it's almost a given one of Odalis Perez, Russ Ortiz or Derek Lowe will be pitching on the SouthSide next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I think it's almost a given one of Odalis Perez, Russ Ortiz or Derek Lowe will be pitching on the SouthSide next season. Can only hope it is not ortiz. Scares me when i think of him in the a.l. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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