ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1880521 Last year, when the Red Sox made their Brandon Lyon-Scott Sauerbeck deal with the Pirates, they were supposed to get left-handed reliever Mike Gonzalez, now one of the nastiest left-on-left relievers in the NL, but the Lyon injury negated his inclusion. This winter, when they agreed to send Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson to the White Sox for Magglio Ordonez, the White Sox had agreed to put right-hander Brandon McCarthy -- 17-6 on three minor league levels this season -- in the trade as a throw-in. I dunno if this was ever mentioned but its the first time i've seen it. Thank god that trade never went through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Peter.Gammons.Professional.Red.Sox.Fluffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Wow. I had never heard that... That would have been a Wells/Sirotka type disaster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Wow. I had never heard that... That would have been a Wells/Sirotka type disaster... The point being Gammons didn't come out and say this immediately after the trade... He's stroking Epstiens cock here. How often is what Gammons says actually true? Just another fluff piece about the BoSox. He's filled it with unverifiable crap in an attempt to paint the BoSawks in a better light... Could it be true? sure. Is it true? probably not. Such is the life of Peter Gammons. It's good to be king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1880521 I dunno if this was ever mentioned but its the first time i've seen it. Thank god that trade never went through. Consider the source, Boston Gammons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 wouldnt a trade of Valentin to the Mariners for Freddy Garcia had followed this? So in effect we'd be loosing McCarthy, Valentin and Ordonez but getting Williamson, Garciaparra and Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 and keeping Olivo!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I will take this for what its worth, a rumor. The deal was never done and I know a minor league was supposedly going, but their were no mention of names and if I recall their were quite a few reports saying it was one of the AA/AAA guys, and not McCarthy. Whose right, who knows, personally I think Gammons knows it was a name that was floated around, thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsTalkSox Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Wow. I had never heard that... That would have been a Wells/Sirotka type disaster... Why do you think Sirotka for Wells was a disaster? What has Sirotka done? It's not Kennys' fault Wells was a fat bum when he was here. He wouldn't get in shape to play for the Sox but, he sure slimmed down when the Yankees reaquired him. I don't see how anyone at the time couldn't have been excited about the trade. Let's remember Kenny doesn't have the luxury of hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1880521 I dunno if this was ever mentioned but its the first time i've seen it. Thank god that trade never went through. Made up by Gammons to make the Carmines look good. Go back to the 20 dollar bill gammons :dips*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Why do you think Sirotka for Wells was a disaster? What has Sirotka done? It's not Kennys' fault Wells was a fat bum when he was here. He wouldn't get in shape to play for the Sox but, he sure slimmed down when the Yankees reaquired him. I don't see how anyone at the time couldn't have been excited about the trade. Let's remember Kenny doesn't have the luxury of hindsight. It was a disaster because both players ended up not contributing to their teams, and were hurt, just like Maggs and Nomar have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Why do you think Sirotka for Wells was a disaster? What has Sirotka done? It's not Kennys' fault Wells was a fat bum when he was here. He wouldn't get in shape to play for the Sox but, he sure slimmed down when the Yankees reaquired him. I don't see how anyone at the time couldn't have been excited about the trade. Let's remember Kenny doesn't have the luxury of hindsight. Hey, welcome aboard. I don't know if you were quite saying this, but if you were talking about hindsight and what not, I agree. Personally I won't rip Williams for a deal if I liked it when it happened. I realize its a bad deal, but everyone makes mistakes, they need to suceed more then they fail and in general the sucesses have to outweight the failures to the fact that the Sox make the playoffs and hopefully win the series. Had I seen Bmac's name in there, I would of scoffed at the idea, but I was one of the few people that was very high on Bmac since then. Also, you got to remember, if the deal went through the Sox were going to sign Juan Gone and do some other things if I recall (or at least that was rumored). Too many what ifs, what I do know is the deal wasn't made and thats that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I never liked the trade to begin with. I just want to get a decent team next year. I want Reggie Sanders in RF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 wouldnt a trade of Valentin to the Mariners for Freddy Garcia had followed this? So in effect we'd be loosing McCarthy, Valentin and Ordonez but getting Williamson, Garciaparra and Garcia? If you think that the Mariners would of giving Garcia for Valentin straight up then you need to share whatever s*** your smokin, because we could all use some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I want Reggie Sanders in RF... ok, I'll bite. Why? P.S. He's under contract next year too for $4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 He is cheap and expendable because of the fact that the Cardinals have Larry Walker. We can work out a trade somehow I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I never liked the trade to begin with. I just want to get a decent team next year. I want Reggie Sanders in RF... I don't want "just a decent team next year". We've had a "decent" team since 1991 or so. The Sox keep putting "decent" teams on the field but getting nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsTalkSox Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hey, welcome aboard. I don't know if you were quite saying this, but if you were talking about hindsight and what not, I agree. Personally I won't rip Williams for a deal if I liked it when it happened. I realize its a bad deal, but everyone makes mistakes, they need to suceed more then they fail and in general the sucesses have to outweight the failures to the fact that the Sox make the playoffs and hopefully win the series. Had I seen Bmac's name in there, I would of scoffed at the idea, but I was one of the few people that was very high on Bmac since then. Also, you got to remember, if the deal went through the Sox were going to sign Juan Gone and do some other things if I recall (or at least that was rumored). Too many what ifs, what I do know is the deal wasn't made and thats that. Hey Thanks for the welcome. It's good to see another fan giving things a fair judgement. If you like the trade at the time then you can only say that it didn't work out later. If it's something you would have done then it's not fair to come back later and say man was that GM stupid for doing that trade. That's the way I try to look at things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 If you think that the Mariners would of giving Garcia for Valentin straight up then you need to share whatever s*** your smokin, because we could all use some. 'Tis no joke. The Mariners would have, in all likelyhood, accepted Garcia for Valentin straight up. You have to consider the circumstances though. Freddy was coming off of a 12-14 4.51 season for a pitcher who was supposed to be an ace. Jose was coming off a decent season. The Mariners had no SS, after trading Guillen to Detroit for Ramon Santiago. The stars were aligned, and the trade was considered. Then, Freddy Garcia busted the hell out of his funk in the first two and a half months, and was spectacular for Seattle...we traded Olivo, Reed, and Morse for him...and the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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