September 29, 200421 yr OK, if Garland or even E-Lo way back when had the outing Contreras had tonight, he'd be roasted on this message board. You tell me Contreras isn't as big as a question mark as Jon? Contreras has not been great. Freddy has not been great. Baseball is full of mediocre pitchers. Jon is one of them. Contreras is one of them. Freddie I think is better than mediocre, ditto Buehrle. But you can't tell me you are counting on consistency from Contreras in the future.
September 29, 200421 yr nobody was watching the game, so therefore no ones going to b****. Back to back homers in the 1st, a Tiggy scores on a wild pitch. We still saw the best and worst of Contreras tonight.
September 29, 200421 yr OK, if Garland or even E-Lo way back when had the outing Contreras had tonight, he'd be roasted on this message board. You tell me Contreras isn't as big as a question mark as Jon? Contreras has not been great. Freddy has not been great. Baseball is full of mediocre pitchers. Jon is one of them. Contreras is one of them. Freddie I think is better than mediocre, ditto Buehrle. But you can't tell me you are counting on consistency from Contreras in the future. It is terrible that garland may once more be our three next year. Because contreras certaintly is not a 3.
September 29, 200421 yr It is terrible that garland may once more be our three next year. Because contreras certaintly is not a 3. My ideal rotation for next season. Buerhle Garcia Odalis Perez Contreras Garland Diaz or Grilli as the long man / 6th starter
September 29, 200421 yr It is terrible that garland may once more be our three next year. Because contreras certaintly is not a 3. He's certainly paid like one, unfortunately for us.
September 29, 200421 yr OK, if Garland or even E-Lo way back when had the outing Contreras had tonight, he'd be roasted on this message board. You tell me Contreras isn't as big as a question mark as Jon? Contreras has not been great. Freddy has not been great. Baseball is full of mediocre pitchers. Jon is one of them. Contreras is one of them. Freddie I think is better than mediocre, ditto Buehrle. But you can't tell me you are counting on consistency from Contreras in the future. Contreras is a bigger question mark than Garland. I have much more faith in Garland. You know you will get at least a near .500 performance out of him. I can see Contreras make us long for the days of Jamie navarro or Todd Ritchie. I really think he can be THAT bad. I'm not saying he will be, but I can see it happening.
September 29, 200421 yr I just don't get some of you people. We are fans of a team that hasn't had anything close to a remotely decent 5th starter in over a decade and yet all you do is b**** because our 4th starter in almost a sure 12 game winner.
September 29, 200421 yr Contreras is a bigger question mark than Garland. I have much more faith in Garland. You know you will get at least a near .500 performance out of him. I can see Contreras make us long for the days of Jamie navarro or Todd Ritchie. I really think he can be THAT bad. I'm not saying he will be, but I can see it happening. I dont know, I think he has taken some strides in the last couple of games. He is a headcase who stays away from his fastball if anyone hits it hard. But I think that there was a little progress, because when he would get into the forkball mode, Sandy would bring him back out and make him throw a change up in the zone, or a breaking ball for a strike on the first pitch. I think that if they can get him to set up his fastball instead of leading with it, he will strikeout alot more batters, and induce more ground balls. He didnt pitch that bad, got himself into some bad situations, and in the past he would have blown up for 15 runs, but they always brought him back to letting the other team hit some ground balls.
October 2, 200421 yr Contreras is a bigger question mark than Garland. I have much more faith in Garland. You know you will get at least a near .500 performance out of him. I can see Contreras make us long for the days of Jamie navarro or Todd Ritchie. I really think he can be THAT bad. I'm not saying he will be, but I can see it happening. You took the words out of my mouth. Contreras does remind one of Navarro and Ritchie.
October 2, 200421 yr Contreras is a bigger question mark than Garland. I have much more faith in Garland. You know you will get at least a near .500 performance out of him. I can see Contreras make us long for the days of Jamie navarro or Todd Ritchie. I really think he can be THAT bad. I'm not saying he will be, but I can see it happening. There's a chance he could also become an absolute stud for us too. Here's what I'm wondering...are we, as a fan base, still happy with got Contreras for Loaiza, especially with that albatross of a contract?
October 2, 200421 yr Author Next year is it for Jon. If he's a .500 pitcher at best again, he's done. He had a decent season. Next year he excels or count him as another bust. He's 26 next year, right? It's time to go 18-11 or bye bye.
October 2, 200421 yr There's a chance he could also become an absolute stud for us too. Here's what I'm wondering...are we, as a fan base, still happy with got Contreras for Loaiza, especially with that albatross of a contract? Playerwise, i think we got the better of the deal. But Contreras' contract is too big.
October 2, 200421 yr Playerwise, i think we got the better of the deal. But Contreras' contract is too big. Not as big as a declining E-Lo would have wanted which is a positive in itself.
October 2, 200421 yr There's a chance he could also become an absolute stud for us too. Here's what I'm wondering...are we, as a fan base, still happy with got Contreras for Loaiza, especially with that albatross of a contract? I don't rule that out as a possibility. He scares me, though. I'd feel much better having Garland as our number 5 if Contrares is number 3 or 4.
October 2, 200421 yr I don't rule that out as a possibility. He scares me, though. I'd feel much better having Garland as our number 5 if Contrares is number 3 or 4. It's pretty much boom or bust with Contreras. There's really no middle ground with him. Personally, I think he should our #4 starter, and his stuff is so good than we can't give up on him. Let's see how he looks in the 1st 2 months of next season afta Coop and Ozzie have had spring training to nail in some thoughts into his head, before making a better judgement.
October 2, 200421 yr It's pretty much boom or bust with Contreras. There's really no middle ground with him. Personally, I think he should our #4 starter, and his stuff is so good than we can't give up on him. Let's see how he looks in the 1st 2 months of next season afta Coop and Ozzie have had spring training to nail in some thoughts into his head, before making a better judgement. Who's making a judgement. I'm just saying he's a massive question mark and having Garland around would take some of the sting out if Contrares is a bust.
October 2, 200421 yr Who's making a judgement. I'm just saying he's a massive question mark and having Garland around would take some of the sting out if Contrares is a bust. All I'm saying is that we'll know next season whether or not the Contreras trade was a success or not. I definitely agree with keeping Garland around as the 5th starter. Garland gave up more than 3 runs in 1 inning 13 times this season. If he can get that into single figures next season, he'll be a MUCH better pitcher.
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