October 15, 200421 yr I just read on ESPN Bottomline that Jermain Dye and Christian Guzman both had their options declined. I wouldn't mind bringing in them both, they both have a good bat, Dye has power, and Guzman is more of a contact hitter and has some speed. What do you think?
October 16, 200421 yr Guzman can go f*** himself. Dye will get a contract like Juan Gone got last year. He might be an option if CLee gets moved. Right now, Dye = a RH Carl Everett.
October 16, 200421 yr OK, I will break the ice and respond here. On Dye, it depends what he wants in terms of $$. If they keep Rowand in CF and do not pursue another CF, which I think they will, Dye "could" be a decent replacement for Maggs. However, I don't think it's a fit because he's a right handed bat who strikes out a bunch and he's not a guy who adds much speed. Plus, there's the money issue. I think he may want too much for a guy who hit .265 . Having said that, I would not completely dismiss him. He may be an option, depending how the Sox outfield situation shakes out. Call it a hunch, but I see Rowand in RF in 2005 with a new CF on board. On Guzman, he is definitely not a bad option. He adds a bit of speed but doesn't steal many bases. Obviously, he knows how to play the team game. Great arm at SS. Hits for decent average, doesn't walk much at all but doesn't strike out much either. The Twins declined his option but I do think they'll try very hard to sign him to a longer term deal, as to my knowledge they don't have a ready made SS prospect waiting in the wings. If the Sox added Guzman, I would not be upset. Just as long as they go in a different direction at SS and bring in a guy who can hit for average, handle the bat, play good defense and add some leadership.
October 16, 200421 yr That has something to do with it... I like Corey Koskie though... Seems to be that the sox have a better, chaeper option at short already in Uribe.
October 16, 200421 yr That has something to do with it... I like Corey Koskie though... Seems to be that the sox have a better, chaeper option at short already in Uribe. Gotcha. You may very well be right and it may shake out that way. I get the feeling though, they'll bring in a veteran SS and have Uribe as the jack of all trades. At least for 2005. Urive is great depth in case somebody gets hurt.
October 16, 200421 yr I am sorry but i do not see why people want guzman. If you look at his numbers they are really not too impressive.
October 16, 200421 yr Author I am sorry but i do not see why people want guzman. If you look at his numbers they are really not too impressive. He is progress over Valentin...
October 16, 200421 yr He is progress over Valentin... Barely. I mean come on his career obp is worse than valentin's.
October 16, 200421 yr He is progress over Valentin... No he's not. Valentin will cost less in all likelyhood, is better defensively, and can actually run the bases(and, if you want to use the intangibles too, Valentin does atleast provide some leadership...Guzman provides none). Consider that this was probably Valentin's worst year ever(or, at the very least, his worst in a White Sox uniform), and that usually he is good for atleast .235-25(or 30)-70 with an OPS of over .900 against RHP. Guzman is way overrated by you guys...just because he played for the Twins doesn't make him a good player.
October 16, 200421 yr Guzman can go f*** himself. Dye will get a contract like Juan Gone got last year. He might be an option if CLee gets moved. Right now, Dye = a RH Carl Everett. didnt the royals decline juan gonzalez's option... idonno he could be a good pickup if we dont get a CF as long as we dont pay much for him... he is the kind of guy that can hit on a winning team but will do s*** on a losing team... he also is a injury risk but he has a lot of talent
October 16, 200421 yr Guzman is way overrated by you guys...just because he played for the Twins doesn't make him a good player. I definitely can tell you i do not overrate him. He should nto be a starting shortstop and if he does only for about only 1-2 million a year.
October 16, 200421 yr didnt the royals decline juan gonzalez's option... idonno he could be a good pickup if we dont get a CF as long as we dont pay much for him... he is the kind of guy that can hit on a winning team but will do s*** on a losing team... he also is a injury risk but he has a lot of talent Juan gone always figures out a way to get injured. No thank you.
October 16, 200421 yr I definitely can tell you i do not overrate him. He should nto be a starting shortstop and if he does only for about only 1-2 million a year. I know you don't...but some do. I just do not like Guzman at all. Seems to be a Metrodome player.
October 16, 200421 yr bob wickman's option wasn't picked up either. i wouldn't mind him. he keeps the ball in the park.
October 16, 200421 yr bob wickman's option wasn't picked up either. i wouldn't mind him. he keeps the ball in the park. Bob Wickman would be PERFECT for the Sox pen. If they got him, the pen would be set as far as I am concerned.
October 16, 200421 yr bob wickman's option wasn't picked up either. i wouldn't mind him. he keeps the ball in the park. They are looking to resign him to a smaller deal. He is also contemplating retirement.
October 16, 200421 yr Bob Wickman would be PERFECT for the Sox pen. If they got him, the pen would be set as far as I am concerned. I would not mind him at all as long as he does not close. He is an ideal set-up man.
October 16, 200421 yr No he's not. Valentin will cost less in all likelyhood, is better defensively, and can actually run the bases(and, if you want to use the intangibles too, Valentin does atleast provide some leadership...Guzman provides none). Consider that this was probably Valentin's worst year ever(or, at the very least, his worst in a White Sox uniform), and that usually he is good for atleast .235-25(or 30)-70 with an OPS of over .900 against RHP. Guzman is way overrated by you guys...just because he played for the Twins doesn't make him a good player. You must be one of the few proud Valentin fans. I am willing to bet that Valentin and Guzman will probably get roughly the same amount of money next year(within 1M either way), so justifying keeping Valentin because of price doesn't hold water. Saying that Valentin is better defensively clearly shows that you are a Valentin fan and are not unbiasly making an accurate judgement. I hate it when people try to justify all the errors that Valentin makes because of his range/arm, but that doesn't apply in this case since Guzman has similar range/arm(probably better as Valentin gets older). When you factor in that Guzman has made 12 of fewer errors the past 3 seasons, than it becomes clear that Valentin is NOT better defensively than Guzman and the difference will only get worse as Valentin gets older. You than run to the oldest trick in the book(intangibles), which has been the BS justification for keeping Valentin's pathetic sub .250 hitting ass past his prime. You can't accurately meassure intangibles, yet according to all the Valentin fans, Valentin has the best leadership/intangibles in the majors(with little or no evidence to support this). What about the intangible of being a division winner 3 years in a row, playoff experience, beating the rival team(Sox) consistantly, and playing an important role in all of these? That is something that can be meassured, and yet you choice to ignore it and assume that Valentin's intangibles far outweigh Guzmans. Valentin has gotten worse every year since he has been in a Sox uniform, and at the age of 35 there is little hope of a turn around. Yet you choice to ignore this. 00 .273 BA .834 OPS 01 .258 BA .845 OPS 02 .249 BA .790 OPS 03 .237 BA .776 OPS 04 .216 BA .760 OPS If you can't understand the trend in the above stats, than you need to take a STATS101 class. You say that Valentin is usually good for a .235 BA with 25 HR and 70 RBI as if it is a good thing. Settling for a .235 BA(with a terrible OBP) since he hits 25 HR is the reason the Sox have underachieved and struggled the past couple of years. If you want another .500 team that hits 200 HR, than tell the Sox management to retain Valentin, but if you want to attempt to improve this team, than you need to substitute more complete players for some of the power hitters(especially power hitters that hit below .250). The one thing that I will agree with you on, is that Guzman is overrated. He refuses to walk, he doesn't use his speed on the BP, doesn't hit for a great average, doesn't have much power, and hasn't shown any improvement. With that said, I would still take Guzman over Valentin(and I do not like Guzman). Guzman might be a decent backup option if the price is right, but I really don't want him as a starter. I am not a big Vizquel fan, but I would rather have Vizquel than Guzman. Whatever the case, as long as Valentin is not wearing a Sox uniform I will be happy.
October 16, 200421 yr Athletics declined LHP Chris Hammond's $3 million option for 2005. Hammond posted another sub-3.00 ERA in 2004, but just like in 2003 under Joe Torre, he was pushed into mop-up duty by a manager who never fully trusted him. A lesser team will pay him $1.5 million-$2 million to work as a setup man next season. From Rotoworld. The sox should look into hammond.
October 16, 200421 yr No to Guzman, OBP isn't high enough to justify the salary we'd most likely have to sign him at. I'd be suprised if he doesn't head back to the Twinkies. Bullpen wise, there are enough guys out there like Hammond and Wickman that we should be able to sign to improve the back end of our pen.
October 16, 200421 yr I just read on ESPN Bottomline that Jermain Dye and Christian Guzman both had their options declined. I wouldn't mind bringing in them both, they both have a good bat, Dye has power, and Guzman is more of a contact hitter and has some speed. What do you think? No Thanks Jermaine Dye another Human DL and Guzman is equal to Dangelo Jimenez. NO GRACIAS
October 16, 200421 yr No Thanks Jermaine Dye another Human DL and Guzman is equal to Dangelo Jimenez. NO GRACIAS We may not like jimenez but he is a better player than guzman.
October 16, 200421 yr You must be one of the few proud Valentin fans. I am willing to bet that Valentin and Guzman will probably get roughly the same amount of money next year(within 1M either way), so justifying keeping Valentin because of price doesn't hold water. Saying that Valentin is better defensively clearly shows that you are a Valentin fan and are not unbiasly making an accurate judgement. I hate it when people try to justify all the errors that Valentin makes because of his range/arm, but that doesn't apply in this case since Guzman has similar range/arm(probably better as Valentin gets older). When you factor in that Guzman has made 12 of fewer errors the past 3 seasons, than it becomes clear that Valentin is NOT better defensively than Guzman and the difference will only get worse as Valentin gets older. You than run to the oldest trick in the book(intangibles), which has been the BS justification for keeping Valentin's pathetic sub .250 hitting ass past his prime. You can't accurately meassure intangibles, yet according to all the Valentin fans, Valentin has the best leadership/intangibles in the majors(with little or no evidence to support this). What about the intangible of being a division winner 3 years in a row, playoff experience, beating the rival team(Sox) consistantly, and playing an important role in all of these? That is something that can be meassured, and yet you choice to ignore it and assume that Valentin's intangibles far outweigh Guzmans. Valentin has gotten worse every year since he has been in a Sox uniform, and at the age of 35 there is little hope of a turn around. Yet you choice to ignore this. 00 .273 BA .834 OPS 01 .258 BA .845 OPS 02 .249 BA .790 OPS 03 .237 BA .776 OPS 04 .216 BA .760 OPS If you can't understand the trend in the above stats, than you need to take a STATS101 class. You say that Valentin is usually good for a .235 BA with 25 HR and 70 RBI as if it is a good thing. Settling for a .235 BA(with a terrible OBP) since he hits 25 HR is the reason the Sox have underachieved and struggled the past couple of years. If you want another .500 team that hits 200 HR, than tell the Sox management to retain Valentin, but if you want to attempt to improve this team, than you need to substitute more complete players for some of the power hitters(especially power hitters that hit below .250). The one thing that I will agree with you on, is that Guzman is overrated. He refuses to walk, he doesn't use his speed on the BP, doesn't hit for a great average, doesn't have much power, and hasn't shown any improvement. With that said, I would still take Guzman over Valentin(and I do not like Guzman). Guzman might be a decent backup option if the price is right, but I really don't want him as a starter. I am not a big Vizquel fan, but I would rather have Vizquel than Guzman. Whatever the case, as long as Valentin is not wearing a Sox uniform I will be happy. Guzman Sucks, He gets lazy and fails to make routine plays. Don't give me this error stat crap. Guzman had a Gold Glover at first to save his ass from many errors. Guzman Sucks he's no leadoff hitter either and is overrated by many on this board
October 16, 200421 yr Link It wouldn't be surprising if the Chicago White Sox pursue shortstop Cristian Guzman if his $5.25 million option isn't picked up by the Twins — and the Twins aren't expected to do so. The White Sox then could move shortstop Jose Valentin to third base. Definitly an option the White Sox are looking into.
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