NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 The only realistic thing the Sox can do this offseason reference their starting rotation is to go through FA and get Clement or someone like him. The Johnson deal is a pipe dream and even if it wasn't it would hurt the team more than it would help because we'd lose yet another top prospect, Konerko's production and there would still not be a 5th starter on this team which means a guaranteed loss every 5th day when we spin whats below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hey Nuke we actually agree on something... How about that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hey Nuke we actually agree on something... How about that... I still say you're sooner to see Russ Ortiz as a SP for the '05 White Sox before Clement NUKE. KW's wanted Ortiz for years. KW might part with Konerko and Garland just to get him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I saw Clement on Comcast the other day talking about how flattered he was that the White Sox were interested in him, and that he'd love to stay in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I still want us to make a run at Lowe.. Clement does not have "it" the knack for winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I still want us to make a run at Lowe.. Clement does not have "it" the knack for winning. Kinda hard to have knack for winning when your run support is 78th in the league even when your ERA is sub 3.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 HR BB K/9 WHIP BAA ERA Clement 23 77 9.45 1.28 .229 3.68 Lowe 15 71 5.17 1.61 .299 5.42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I still want us to make a run at Lowe.. Clement does not have "it" the knack for winning. Lowe over Clement??? man... what are you on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I still think Lowe, is a big game pitcher. Also once Boston got all the pieces, with OC and Doug M.. the main problem early in the season was boston Def. Also if clement was so good, why is it he already been with 3 different teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I still think Lowe, is a big game pitcher. Also once Boston got all the pieces, with OC and Doug M.. the main problem early in the season was boston Def. Also if clement was so good, why is it he already been with 3 different teams. How many teams has Gary Sheffield played for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Derek Lowe's agent = Scott Borass. Fuhgeddaboudit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 clement would be pretty solid pickup for us.... although im still hoping we sign odalis perez who might cost less then clement and is younger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Also if clement was so good, why is it he already been with 3 different teams. Thats a horrible argument... Alex Rodriquez has been with 3 teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Thats a horrible argument... Alex Rodriquez has been with 3 teams Yes A-rod has... Signed by Seattle then left via FA, to Rangers who traded him cause he was to pricey Clement on the other hand Signed with the Padres, who gave up on him then traded him to the Marlins in the Brown deal, then traded to the Cubs w/ alfonseca , in the deal that sent Willis to the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 Yes A-rod has... Signed by Seattle then left via FA, to Rangers who traded him cause he was to pricey Clement on the other hand Signed with the Padres, who gave up on him then traded him to the Marlins in the Brown deal, then traded to the Cubs w/ alfonseca , in the deal that sent Willis to the Marlins. OK well its still a horrible argument.. Look at some of the people who have bounced around and are very solid players.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 ALso in the Cubs deal, Alfonseca was the main piece to the trade, Clement was a throw in The Marlins gave up on him a did the Padres. When 2 teams that have been to the big dance in the past 10 years give up on a guy.. That should tell you something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I would love to get a Pavano, Pedro, Johnson, one of oaklands big 3, but Pavano and Pedro would be too much $, AND a huge risk, and Johnson would cost to much, as with the big 3. I would love to get Clement. we could be are #3 pitcher, move jose to #4, and Garland to #5. I would believe that he could be had for 5-8 mil but i am totaly guessing. also i think we should pick up osuna and urbina, along with nomar, and maybe varatek or someother catcher. I would aslo love to get pierre maybe for anderson or sweeney. With this said here is what i would like for the 2005 sox...might not be realistic but i guess i could happen CF--PIERRE 2B--URIBE SS--GARCIAPARRA DH--THOMAS LF--LEE 1B--KONERKO C--VARATEK RF--ROWAND 3B--CREDE BENCH: TIMO PEREZ, ROSS GLOAD, JAMIE BURKE, AND WILLIE HARRIS SP: BUEHRLE, GARCIA, CLEMENT, CONTRERAS, GARLAND BULLPEN: ADKINS, COTTS, POLITTE, OSUNA, MARTE, URBINA, SHINGO --I THINK THIS TEAM COULD WIN THE AL CENTRAL, AND ONCE IN THE PLAYOFFS THEY CAN MAKE A RUN AT IT ALL WITH THIS TEAM LATER, MIKE GO SOX IN 05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 I'll take this (not a real batting order, just position order) 2b-HARRIS ss-URIBE 3b-CREDE 1b-KONERKO dh-HURT lf-LEE cf-ROW rf-JURASSIC ca-GREG ZAUN SP GARCIA BUEHRLE PEREZ CONTRERAS GARLAND PEN STAYS MORE OR LESS AS IS. This is not the most elctrifying makeover for our team but it would give us a good staff and the flexibility to find out what we need in June. We try out Harris and Uribe and the back end of the Pen and if there are any glaring holes we fill them when we know more. I think this would be a decent combination of realism, being proactive, and yet not being married to the team thru september. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I'm sorry but I would take Clement over Lowe just because he's younger and wants to stay in Chicago. Plus maybe some of casual cub fans might come and see him if the cubs are out of town on games he's starting. Personally I don't see how many teams he's been on being as a reason not to sign him. I'd take him if he had been with 20 teams as long as the guy could pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 I would love to get a Pavano, Pedro, Johnson, one of oaklands big 3, but Pavano and Pedro would be too much $, AND a huge risk, and Johnson would cost to much, as with the big 3. I would love to get Clement. we could be are #3 pitcher, move jose to #4, and Garland to #5. I would believe that he could be had for 5-8 mil but i am totaly guessing. also i think we should pick up osuna and urbina, along with nomar, and maybe varatek or someother catcher. I would aslo love to get pierre maybe for anderson or sweeney. With this said here is what i would like for the 2005 sox...might not be realistic but i guess i could happen CF--PIERRE 2B--URIBE SS--GARCIAPARRA DH--THOMAS LF--LEE 1B--KONERKO C--VARATEK RF--ROWAND 3B--CREDE BENCH: TIMO PEREZ, ROSS GLOAD, JAMIE BURKE, AND WILLIE HARRIS SP: BUEHRLE, GARCIA, CLEMENT, CONTRERAS, GARLAND BULLPEN: ADKINS, COTTS, POLITTE, OSUNA, MARTE, URBINA, SHINGO --I THINK THIS TEAM COULD WIN THE AL CENTRAL, AND ONCE IN THE PLAYOFFS THEY CAN MAKE A RUN AT IT ALL WITH THIS TEAM LATER, MIKE GO SOX IN 05 How does all this happen? Would not be possible with the amount of money they have to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 How does all this happen? Would not be possible with the amount of money they have to spend Thats why I said I want this to happen, I know it isnt going to happen, but hell everyone else was putting in there 2 cents so I did as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Thats why I said I want this to happen, I know it isnt going to happen, but hell everyone else was putting in there 2 cents so I did as well Eh, i see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Yes A-rod has... Signed by Seattle then left via FA, to Rangers who traded him cause he was to pricey Clement on the other hand Signed with the Padres, who gave up on him then traded him to the Marlins in the Brown deal, then traded to the Cubs w/ alfonseca , in the deal that sent Willis to the Marlins. Kevin Brown was one of the best pitchers in the league when Clement was traded to Florida for him. That argument holds no ground. Basically, if Clement is not good because he was traded as part of a package for a better pitcher, Freddy Garcia is not good. Afterall, Freddy was traded from Houston to Seattle as part of a package for RJ. And your throw-in argument along with Alfonseca holds no ground either, considering Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek were traded from Seattle as part of a package in which Heathcliff Slocumb ended up in Seattle. That was probably one of the most one-sided trades of the late 90s. Basically, Lowe was a throw-in in that deal, so if you don't want Clement because he was a throw-in, you shouldn't want Lowe because he was a throw-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 Kevin Brown was one of the best pitchers in the league when Clement was traded to Florida for him. That argument holds no ground. Basically, if Clement is not good because he was traded as part of a package for a better pitcher, Freddy Garcia is not good. Afterall, Freddy was traded from Houston to Seattle as part of a package for RJ. And your throw-in argument along with Alfonseca holds no ground either, considering Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek were traded from Seattle as part of a package in which Heathcliff Slocumb ended up in Seattle. That was probably one of the most one-sided trades of the late 90s. Basically, Lowe was a throw-in in that deal, so if you don't want Clement because he was a throw-in, you shouldn't want Lowe because he was a throw-in. First off, I was wrong Clement was not traded from the Padres to the Marlins for Brown.. He was traded with Eric Owens for Cesar Crespo and Mark Kotsay. Also I am not a fan of Garcia in a Sox uni.. So this holds no ground. I never liked the trade after I found out that he is a fly ball pitcher in coors lite doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 27, 2004 Share Posted November 27, 2004 First off, I was wrong Clement was not traded from the Padres to the Marlins for Brown.. He was traded with Eric Owens for Cesar Crespo and Mark Kotsay. Also I am not a fan of Garcia in a Sox uni.. So this holds no ground. I never liked the trade after I found out that he is a fly ball pitcher in coors lite doesn't help. Does not matter if you are a fan of garcia or not, it does ''hold ground.'' It is the same exact concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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