December 9, 200421 yr Hopefully these morons figure out they are only hurting the game instead of making it better.....
December 9, 200421 yr Damn I hope it never comes back I hate NHL. Then don't watch it if it comes back.
December 9, 200421 yr Author No I live pretty close though. why the hell would you respond in this thread then?
December 10, 200421 yr A 24% rollback on salaries and a 20% tax over 45 million payrolls to be distributed to the "lesser teams" are the major components of the deal. Now... if player costs are 74% of revenues and the NHL wants it to be 53%, then the 24% rollback puts them at 51%. WOW! But still, the greedy ass owners are the ones that are going to block this... 24% rollback... I knew it was north of 15% but I am surprised it's this high. If the owners could constrain themselves, this puts them back to 10 years ago, which is where they want to be anyway. Edited December 10, 200421 yr by kapkomet
December 10, 200421 yr I would say that based on what I am hearing - Going into today it was virtually zero, now we're up to about 30%. The key is when the NHL comes back and decides whether to negotiate or not based on a cap. Not to say too much publicly (I'd get gooned by an NHL enforcer... ) but the players really did go a long long way with this offer. Bettman was pleased that they came as far as they did, from what I understand. BUT there is one major dynamic that has to happen before they will settle... and it centers around this thought.... remember, now that this proposal has been made by the players, it becomes owners vs. owners. What a game of poker we have now. Edited December 10, 200421 yr by kapkomet
December 10, 200421 yr I'm still very pessimistic about this season. The owners aren't interested in compromise, they want surrender and unconditional victory ( meaning a salary cap ). Saw Roenick on SportsCenter and his rhetoric hadn't softened one bit. He basically reiterated that the owners want a cap, the players won't agree to one and that's that. He sang the praises of the salary TAX, and basically said the owners don't understand that they will save money with a tax. He then suggested that the owners should pass the salary tax savings on to the Average Joe hockey fan in the form of lower ticket prices.....yeah, THAT might happen..... There will eventually be some sort of settlement, but I'm afraid it won't save this season and it may not save the NHL as it currently exists ( or rather, as it existed up to last season ).
December 10, 200421 yr does anyone know what happens with the draft if there's no season? do we keep our position in the lottery? is there a new lottery? is pittsburgh and washington going to be rewarded for tanking a season twice? ARE WE GONNA GET CROSBY??!!?? if it hightens our chances of getting that kid, i'm all for the loss of this season.
December 10, 200421 yr does anyone know what happens with the draft if there's no season? do we keep our position in the lottery? is there a new lottery? is pittsburgh and washington going to be rewarded for tanking a season twice? ARE WE GONNA GET CROSBY??!!?? if it hightens our chances of getting that kid, i'm all for the loss of this season. The terms of the draft are always located within the CBA. No CBA = No Draft. (Unfortunately, for us 'Hawk fans...)
December 10, 200421 yr I've already shelved this season, but I really want the NHL to be there next (cuz then for our honeymoon we will go to Raleigh, NC and/or Ottawa).
December 10, 200421 yr Right now it's the ownership group that has to show their cards. The REAL heart of the problems of the NHL are about to really surface. The players giving back 24% of their salaries all but eliminates the cap arguement because they have capped themselves in a sense to re-establish the market place. Why does the NHL need a cap - if the players gave back all their salaries? If they all play the game fair and square, then the tax with the salary rollback takes care of this. Remember what I said. This is now about the "hawkish" 50% of the owners and the "pacifist" 50% of the owners - and Bettman backed far far into a corner with the "cap or nothing" stance. The players hit a home run here to put the ownership group in a place where they have to decide what they really are going to do. BTW, the rumblings I'm getting is the cap is a deal breaker, so bye-bye season. We will see if the weekend breaks through that wall some.
December 10, 200421 yr So, will a partial NHL season save every team? Or are we still looking at the possibility of NHL contraction with just a half season of play?
December 10, 200421 yr So, will a partial NHL season save every team? Or are we still looking at the possibility of NHL contraction with just a half season of play? Yes, every team will come out of this playing - unless Bettman resigns or gets fired.
December 10, 200421 yr So if the NHL loses the season, will all the teams be able to survive? Or will times in marginal markets like Florida, San Jose, and dare I say it, Chicago be able to survive?
December 10, 200421 yr So if the NHL loses the season, will all the teams be able to survive? Or will times in marginal markets like Florida, San Jose, and dare I say it, Chicago be able to survive? Buffalo and Ottawa would be the first two places to go. I really doubt they would survive, without help from the NHL.
December 10, 200421 yr Buffalo and Ottawa would be the first two places to go. I really doubt they would survive, without help from the NHL. I think Ottawa would be fine as long as it is still the billionaire that owns them. Truth be told, I think Carolina would be in trouble before Ottawa. Edited December 10, 200421 yr by Queen Prawn
December 10, 200421 yr I think Ottawa would be fine as long as it is still the billionaire that owns them. Truth be told, I think Carolina would be in trouble before Ottawa. Didn't the Sens file bankruptcy or were about to? I know they were hemoraging cash for a long time.
December 10, 200421 yr Didn't the Sens file bankruptcy or were about to? I know they were hemoraging cash for a long time. Last owner (not this one).
December 10, 200421 yr Carolina, Nashville, and Florida would be at the top any contraction list, I would think. If it weren't for the playoff run last season I would add Calgary.
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