Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Still a hole in the rotation, a huge hole in the bullpen and KW will have gutted the offense. This is not good any way you look at it. Is this the price Sox fans pay for management finally asssembling a complete pitching rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 All this speculation is a little much. Rotoworld mentioned possible people, not all 3 guys being traded. Until more is heard, some deep breaths are needed. KW may take some risks. But he's not completely stupid. If Billy Beane only got a bullpen arm, a weak hitting LFer and a prospect for Hudson, Kw won't give up the store for Vazquez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Guys when I read the paper and heard the three names on daily news and rotoworld I was livid and ready go find kenny know wherever his location is now since hes hiding from us. You won't be able to find him. He'll be under the radar. Stealth Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Well, it looks as if KW is trying to involve himself in the big RJ trade by offering a package of Konerko, Garland, and Marte for Javier Vazquez. Well, this would be one of the worst trades in history if you ask me. KW, if you do this trade, you will not believe the outrage that occurs by Sox fans. Our offense will be the worst in baseball next year, and JR is too f***ing cheap to sign even average players. How f***ing pathetic is it that we don't even have enough confidence in KW to not even make the dumbest of trades? If this happens thereis NO defending dumbass KW get used to scoring 1 run a night folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I can't see LA trading away Vazquez and not getting a SP in return. They are very thin there. Unless Garland is part of a deal w/ PK it doesn't make sense for them. The question is who on LA could come over and fill a hole on the sox. If a deal went down with LA, Alex Cora could play a role. He'd play 2b everyday. And he can play SS. He played 15 games at SS in 03, 61 g in '02 and 132 g in '01. The sox wouldn't need a vet UTL guy like Cairo and his $1-2 mill a yr salary. they could use a rookie like Valdez making the minimum, as Cora is 29 and a solid vet. Willie Harris would no doubt be a good trade target for a low budget team. The sox could then use Harris to fill a hole, at C or a SP, or be traded for prospects I agree trading PK and any one else might create a hole. Yet a #1 or a #2 SP like Vazquez is harder to find than a 1B or a #5 SP like Garland. Clement, Odalis Perez, etc. are decent #3's. But they don't have the stuff to throw a shut out virtually anytime they pitch like Vazquez. It's riskier to trade a guy like Pk for Vazquez. Yet the upside of getting a stud SP who only had a bad 1/2 yr in NY over signing a FA SP who just fills a spot, is much higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Folks, that's one of the worst hitting teams in the majors right there. Well, they said they were trying to get away fom beinng so offense-centered, didn't they? Still, this would seem like a case of 'Mission Over-Accomplished" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southside hitmen Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I know KW is really high on Carlos Delgado from what I read during the season when he tried to make a trade for Delgado so just maybe if we trade Konerko. He will sign Delgado.. I think if KW trade Konerko,Marte and Garland we will get alot m ore back than just Vasquez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I know KW is really high on Carlos Delgado from what I read during the season when he tried to make a trade for Delgado so just maybe if we trade Konerko. He will sign Delgado.. I think if KW trade Konerko,Marte and Garland we will get alot m ore back than just Vasquez Where exactly will this money come from to sign Delgado? Marte/Garland/Konerko for Vazquez/additional player won't leave this club enough money to land Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I agree trading PK and any one else might create a hole. Yet a #1 or a #2 SP like Vazquez is harder to find than a 1B or a #5 SP like Garland. Clement, Odalis Perez, etc. are decent #3's. But they don't have the stuff to throw a shut out virtually anytime they pitch like Vazquez. It's riskier to trade a guy like Pk for Vazquez. Yet the upside of getting a stud SP who only had a bad 1/2 yr in NY over signing a FA SP who just fills a spot, is much higher OPTION 1: Rotation: Buehrle/Garicia/Vazquez/Contreras/Grilli Lineup: Podsednik Rowand Everett/Thomas Dye Crede Uribe Gload Cora Davis/Burke OPTION 2: Rotation: Buehrle/Garcia/Contreras/Garland/(FA starter) *Bullpen with Marte Lineup: Podsednik Rowand Everett/Thomas Konerko Dye Crede Uribe Harris (FA addition) Davis/Burke (FA addition) Which is more appealing? EDIT: Neglected to include remainder of bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 The score is reporting the Sox would part with two of the three players mentioned in this thread and get Javy in return. Quite frankly this is not that smart but certainly what the sox would do. In addition, even if done there is no way anyone can be assured we would get Delgado. Let me point out that we didn't get clement either although we were supposedly in it until the end. This whole game can become unraveled on the Whitesox. They don't know the value of the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If we lose two, I hope Garland is the player we keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 The score is reporting the Sox would part with two of the three players mentioned in this thread and get Javy in return. Quite frankly this is not that smart but certainly what the sox would do. In addition, even if done there is no way anyone can be assured we would get Delgado. Let me point out that we didn't get clement either although we were supposedly in it until the end. This whole game can become unraveled on the Whitesox. They don't know the value of the market. Most likely Konerko and Marte if it was 2, with Vazquez and maybe Alex Cora coming back in return. Willie Harris could also be an option maybe, but the Dodgers do have a depth of prospects at second base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Like Beck said, I think we all need some deep breaths. Also, I'm pretty sure we would get more than Vazquez if that trade DID go down. My gut tells me this is all a bunch of BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 We already are $10 million below the $75 budget, I'm curious as to what KW is saving all this money for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 We already are $10 million below the $75 budget, I'm curious as to what KW is saving all this money for? Well the sox have alot of holes. Catcher, 2b, utility player, number 5 starter. Too many holes for 10 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I don't want Cora either, we would then have two 2B's who can't hit lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Good morning people, I cant believed I stayed up till 4 in morning breaking this thing out for us guys. But I hope hear the news either later today or later next wekk. Have a good day all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If the RJ trade is agreed upon and rubber stamped by the commissioners office, one of the papers said there'll be a 72 hours window for contract extensions for Johnson and Green. So it's likely that whole trade won't be resolved until just before Xmas. I don't see anything going on with an additional trade involving the White Sox until all that's done, or maybe even afterwards. If this is indeed cooking, it may take a while. I'm not holding my breath thinking this will happen today or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Well the sox have alot of holes. Catcher, 2b, utility player, number 5 starter. Too many holes for 10 million Solve the hole at catcher this week, how tough is it for them to get Pierzynski in the fold? Oh wait ... we're talking about the White Sox here. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If we trade Kong away in this deal WE BETTER MAKE THE FOCKING SPANKEES PAY FOR MOST OF VASQUEZ'S CONTRACT given he has no value with the yankees (they had him on the bench for a while in the post season) AND WE BETTER SIGN DELGADO THE NEXT DAY WITH THE MONEY WE ARE SAVING INT HIS DEAL (assuming Yankees pay for Vasquez and since we will save more by dumping Kong) Also, I agree with the poster who said this will all be Ozzie's fault if this goes down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If we trade Kong away in this deal WE BETTER MAKE THE FOCKING SPANKEES PAY FOR MOST OF VASQUEZ'S CONTRACT given he has no value with the yankees (they had him on the bench for a while in the post season) AND WE BETTER SIGN DELGADO THE NEXT DAY WITH THE MONEY WE ARE SAVING INT HIS DEAL (assuming Yankees pay for Vasquez and since we will save more by dumping Kong) Also, I agree with the poster who said this will all be Ozzie's fault if this goes down Delgado wants a 4 year deal at $16 million a year. He'll get more than the $50 million 4 year deal that Richie Sexson signed, so unless the Sox make it hugely backloaded, Delgado ain't coming here. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 I don't want Cora either, we would then have two 2B's who can't hit lefties. Cora still had a .345 OBP against lefties and a OPS of .758, which is not bad at all for an infielder. The Sox need to look at either him or Cairo, since Polanco is likely going to be out of our reach financially, and the Cards will probably sign him soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 If the RJ trade is agreed upon and rubber stamped by the commissioners office, one of the papers said there'll be a 72 hours window for contract extensions for Johnson and Green. So it's likely that whole trade won't be resolved until just before Xmas. I don't see anything going on with an additional trade involving the White Sox until all that's done, or maybe even afterwards. If this is indeed cooking, it may take a while. I'm not holding my breath thinking this will happen today or tomorrow. Wait?! Wait for Odalis Perez, Placido Palanco, El-Duque, AJ Piercynski to be signed while we're anticipating this trade? Did you not say yourself, earlier today, Williams must move quickly? I can honestly visualize a snag occuring in this trade (ie; Penny failing physical) in which everything falls apart and we're left with our pants down. We're better served exploring other options then waiting for this neverending trade to become finalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 A guy on anther site says this: "If KW trades all three for Javier Vazquez, he oughta just change his name to Ned Beatty and try out for a part in "Deliverance" He'd be gettin used like a beyatch." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Solve the hole at catcher this week, how tough is it for them to get Pierzynski in the fold? Oh wait ... we're talking about the White Sox here. Sorry. I agree about AJ. That would have to get done b4 Mon, as the Sox would non-tender Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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