January 27, 200521 yr Yeah guys, look at all of the box scores for the Japan All Star Series '04 here... http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...y2004/index.jsp Tadahito Iguchi did not have one at bat. Ray King made a mistake. I'm thinking that the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks had already posted Iguchi so that he could enter the MLB, meaning that he wasn't eligible to play in the Japan All Star Series.
January 27, 200521 yr I don't think you need to face someone if you have seen them play to give your opinion. Maybe that is just me though.
January 27, 200521 yr I don't think you need to face someone if you have seen them play to give your opinion. Maybe that is just me though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HOW DID RAY KING EVEN SEE IGUCHI PLAY??? IGUCHI WASN'T EVEN ON THE DAMN JAPAN ALL STAR SERIES '04 ROSTER!!! http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan
January 27, 200521 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) HOW DID RAY KING EVEN SEE IGUCHI PLAY??? IGUCHI WASN'T EVEN ON THE DAMN JAPAN ALL STAR SERIES '04 ROSTER!!! http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan Not saying he saw him there. Don't you think he has seem him play at least once? I highly doubt he made that comment without seeing at least oen at-bat of his. You can settle down now.
January 28, 200521 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) Who cares about Ray King's opinion? He apparently never even faced Iguchi because Iguchi was not even on Japan's team... Japan All Star Series '04 Roster http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan Ray King was listed as on the MLB team though... http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...tent=roster_mlb Just goes to show that Ray King must not be very bright. Not very bright and not all that good either.
January 28, 200521 yr Not saying he saw him there. Don't you think he has seem him play at least once? I highly doubt he made that comment without seeing at least oen at-bat of his. You can settle down now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you ever think that maybe Ray King made a mistake? Look at the names of some of the players on the Japan team... http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan Some of them have similar names to Tadahito Iguchi. For example... INF Toshihisa Nishi OF Takahiro Saeki Where else would Ray King have seen Iguchi play?
January 28, 200521 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) Did you ever think that maybe Ray King made a mistake? Look at the names of some of the players on the Japan team... http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan Some of them have similar names to Tadahito Iguchi. For example... INF Toshihisa Nishi OF Takahiro Saeki Where else would Ray King have seen Iguchi play? I think it is very possible that while he was there he saw tape of him or something to that affect. Don't know why you think it is impossible that he saw him play just because he personally didn't pitch against him.
January 28, 200521 yr well he obviously could hit japanese pitching good so what in that tape would show he wouldnt be able to hit MLB fastballs if he never has faced MLB fastballs? Basicly Ray King made a statement without having all the facts.
January 28, 200521 yr I don't put any stock in this whatsoever. Hitting fastballs is about bat speed. Iguchi could not put up the numbers he did in Japan in a pitcher's park w/out having good bat speed. I expect him to jump out quickly in AZ. He should finish strong in that exhib series with the Brewers but then struggle against CC & Westbrook. It's a tough opening month but I think he'll find his click vs the bottom of rotations in the first month.
January 28, 200521 yr QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 01:25 AM) I don't put any stock in this whatsoever. Hitting fastballs is about bat speed. Iguchi could not put up the numbers he did in Japan in a pitcher's park w/out having good bat speed. jugg and soxfan101 good post on bat speed and a very true statement.
January 28, 200521 yr QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 05:57 PM) And I'm not impressed with Ray King. Exactly. I saw Ray King pitch at the rookie league level when he first came up with the Reds. The only reason he sticks around is because he is a lefty pitcher.
January 28, 200521 yr QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) Exactly. I saw Ray King pitch at the rookie league level when he first came up with the Reds. The only reason he sticks around is because he is a lefty pitcher. You have got to be kidding.
January 28, 200521 yr King and Marte have different roles on their teams. King is used more like a lefty specialist, Marte is the only setup guy. Just take a look at how long most of their outings were. King had about 62 innings in 86 appearances, and only got more than 3 outs 8 times. He never came close to averaging an appearance per inning with 4 different teams (while he was effective, I'm not counting the Cubs). Marte, on the other hand, averaged virtually an inning per appearance (almost 80 innings in 71 appearances the previous year) and went more than one inning 23 times. Part of that is depth of the respective teams' bullpens, but trust and ability are major factors. In his three seasons as a major piece of the bullpen, Marte's ERA's have been 2.83, 1.82, and 3.42. I think some have a short memory. He was damn good in 2003 and 2002. King is simply not the same pitcher as Marte. As someone said previously, take a look at their strikeout rates throughout their career. I've seen both of them extensively (damn Cardinals' games are always on at school), and I'd much rather have Marte, although I would in no way be aversed to having King on the roster. He is better than most lefty stiffs that teams trot out there, but he does not have the stuff or abilities that Marte does. I fully expect Marte to have a monster year now that we have a deeper pen. As for the main topic, I wouldn't care if any American player said he wasn't impressed. It's not their job to evaluate talent, and they simply can't see the players enough to really know them. Now if Ichiro or Ishii or someone like that said something along those lines it might be a little different, but I would still not be overly concerned.
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