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Yeah guys, look at all of the box scores for the Japan All Star Series '04 here...

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...y2004/index.jsp

 

Tadahito Iguchi did not have one at bat. Ray King made a mistake. I'm thinking that the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks had already posted Iguchi so that he could enter the MLB, meaning that he wasn't eligible to play in the Japan All Star Series.

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 04:58 PM)
HOW DID RAY KING EVEN SEE IGUCHI PLAY???  IGUCHI WASN'T EVEN ON THE DAMN JAPAN ALL STAR SERIES '04 ROSTER!!!

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan

 

Not saying he saw him there. Don't you think he has seem him play at least once? I highly doubt he made that comment without seeing at least oen at-bat of his. You can settle down now.

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 04:45 PM)
Who cares about Ray King's opinion?  He apparently never even faced Iguchi because Iguchi was not even on Japan's team...

 

Japan All Star Series '04 Roster

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan

 

Ray King was listed as on the MLB team though...

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...tent=roster_mlb

 

Just goes to show that Ray King must not be very bright.

Not very bright and not all that good either.
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Not saying he saw him there. Don't you think he has seem him play at least once? I  highly doubt he made that comment without seeing at least oen at-bat of his.  You can settle down now.

Did you ever think that maybe Ray King made a mistake? Look at the names of some of the players on the Japan team...

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan

 

Some of them have similar names to Tadahito Iguchi. For example...

 

INF Toshihisa Nishi

OF Takahiro Saeki

 

Where else would Ray King have seen Iguchi play?

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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jan 27, 2005 -> 06:05 PM)
Did you ever think that maybe Ray King made a mistake?  Look at the names of some of the players on the Japan team...

 

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/m...nt=roster_japan

 

Some of them have similar names to Tadahito Iguchi.  For example...

 

INF Toshihisa Nishi

OF Takahiro Saeki

 

Where else would Ray King have seen Iguchi play?

 

I think it is very possible that while he was there he saw tape of him or something to that affect. Don't know why you think it is impossible that he saw him play just because he personally didn't pitch against him.

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I don't put any stock in this whatsoever. Hitting fastballs is about bat speed.

Iguchi could not put up the numbers he did in Japan in a pitcher's park w/out having good bat speed.

 

I expect him to jump out quickly in AZ. He should finish strong in that exhib series with the Brewers but then struggle against CC & Westbrook. It's a tough opening month but I think he'll find his click vs the bottom of rotations in the first month.

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QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 28, 2005 -> 01:25 AM)
I don't put any stock in this whatsoever. Hitting fastballs is about bat speed.

Iguchi could not put up the numbers he did in Japan in a pitcher's park w/out having good bat speed. 

 

 

 

jugg and soxfan101

 

good post on bat speed and a very true statement.

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King and Marte have different roles on their teams. King is used more like a lefty specialist, Marte is the only setup guy. Just take a look at how long most of their outings were. King had about 62 innings in 86 appearances, and only got more than 3 outs 8 times. He never came close to averaging an appearance per inning with 4 different teams (while he was effective, I'm not counting the Cubs). Marte, on the other hand, averaged virtually an inning per appearance (almost 80 innings in 71 appearances the previous year) and went more than one inning 23 times. Part of that is depth of the respective teams' bullpens, but trust and ability are major factors. In his three seasons as a major piece of the bullpen, Marte's ERA's have been 2.83, 1.82, and 3.42. I think some have a short memory. He was damn good in 2003 and 2002.

 

King is simply not the same pitcher as Marte. As someone said previously, take a look at their strikeout rates throughout their career. I've seen both of them extensively (damn Cardinals' games are always on at school), and I'd much rather have Marte, although I would in no way be aversed to having King on the roster. He is better than most lefty stiffs that teams trot out there, but he does not have the stuff or abilities that Marte does. I fully expect Marte to have a monster year now that we have a deeper pen.

 

As for the main topic, I wouldn't care if any American player said he wasn't impressed. It's not their job to evaluate talent, and they simply can't see the players enough to really know them. Now if Ichiro or Ishii or someone like that said something along those lines it might be a little different, but I would still not be overly concerned.

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