April 9, 200323 yr Link to Video 1 Link for Video 2 I saw these and was just in awe for a while after.
April 9, 200323 yr Apu, Yes those were powerful. But it was also so wrong, I don't know where to begin.
April 9, 200323 yr I didn't watch the 2nd video. The first video is sick to see for about 10 seconds, after that it's just the anti-war photos.
April 9, 200323 yr Watched the second and well, once again it is something that drastically shows one side. Its horrible that civilians die, but why not show pictures of all the civilians Saddam has killed, cause that number is probably 100,000 times bigger then those that have died in this war.
April 9, 200323 yr Watched the second and well, once again it is something that drastically shows one side. Its horrible that civilians die, but why not show pictures of all the civilians Saddam has killed, cause that number is probably 100,000 times bigger then those that have died in this war. After I watched the video I went and looked at the latest photos from the war. And there was shots of Iraqi's stading and laughing as they stood on a photo of Saddam that was ripped down. The video shows one view point that uses awful images to get it's point across. When it leads in to the images of the injured civilians, it shows Bush talking about liberation, and asks the question "is this liberation?" As it rolls in the images of injured civilians. If it was a pro-war video you could roll in photos of the Iraqi civilians cheering as Coalition troops roll past them. The video is interesting but it's very one sided. But there's two sides to every story, and that happens to be one side. I don't have a problem watching it, or a problem with the fact it was made.
April 9, 200323 yr Link to Video 1 Link for Video 2 I saw these and was just in awe for a while after. your point???
April 9, 200323 yr Author Link to Video 1 Link for Video 2 I saw these and was just in awe for a while after. your point??? Just showing images from DU rounds, etc. etc. etc.
April 9, 200323 yr I was more sickened by watching planes fly into the WTC, sickened more at watching people jump from 90+ stories..... some holding hands..... not wanting to burn to death, and further sickened by the sound of those bodies literally exploding as they crashed into the pavement and the buildings around the WTC.
April 9, 200323 yr Author I was more sickened by watching planes fly into the WTC, sickened more at watching people jump from 90+ stories..... some holding hands..... not wanting to burn to death, and further sickened by the sound of those bodies literally exploding as they crashed into the pavement and the buildings around the WTC. I'm not saying that wasn't horrible, but this war is attacking people who had nothing to do with that.
April 9, 200323 yr I was more sickened by watching planes fly into the WTC, sickened more at watching people jump from 90+ stories..... some holding hands..... not wanting to burn to death, and further sickened by the sound of those bodies literally exploding as they crashed into the pavement and the buildings around the WTC. And attacking Iraq only drastically increases the probability of a repeat.
April 9, 200323 yr Interesting look. I have something in Power Point that I'd like to post here for you Apu.. and everyone else as well. Chisoxfan, can you help? Maybe I can email it to you first. Let me know SGriffis@Bekins.com
April 9, 200323 yr I was more sickened by watching planes fly into the WTC, sickened more at watching people jump from 90+ stories..... some holding hands..... not wanting to burn to death, and further sickened by the sound of those bodies literally exploding as they crashed into the pavement and the buildings around the WTC. And attacking Iraq only drastically increases the probability of a repeat. And not disarming them helps how..? Leaving them alone assures the rest of the worlds safety?
April 9, 200323 yr Interesting look. I have something in Power Point that I'd like to post here for you Apu.. and everyone else as well. Chisoxfan, can you help? Maybe I can email it to you first. Let me know SGriffis@Bekins.com I'll see. I don't have powerpoint though so I'm not sure if there is a way to convert it.
April 9, 200323 yr Interesting look. I have something in Power Point that I'd like to post here for you Apu.. and everyone else as well. Chisoxfan, can you help? Maybe I can email it to you first. Let me know SGriffis@Bekins.com I'll see. I don't have powerpoint though so I'm not sure if there is a way to convert it. Maybe I can just send you the images in .jpg and you can post a few of them here?
April 9, 200323 yr Author Interesting look. I have something in Power Point that I'd like to post here for you Apu.. and everyone else as well. Chisoxfan, can you help? Maybe I can email it to you first. Let me know SGriffis@Bekins.com Send me a PM thru SoxTalk and I'll give you my e-mail, probably won't get to it for another day or two since I got 2 meetings and am helping out with a PRIDE event today.
April 9, 200323 yr Interesting look. I have something in Power Point that I'd like to post here for you Apu.. and everyone else as well. Chisoxfan, can you help? Maybe I can email it to you first. Let me know SGriffis@Bekins.com Send me a PM thru SoxTalk and I'll give you my e-mail, probably won't get to it for another day or two since I got 2 meetings and am helping out with a PRIDE event today. Apu, my email is in this thread. Email me and I will forward it to you. I'm trying to convert them to .jpg, but damn work is getting in the way
April 9, 200323 yr Someone should e-mail Eric Blumrich and tell him he has to amend his second video..... to show the Iraqi people dancing and spitting on the statue of Saddam Hussein after Rumsfeld's quote Maybe throw in a few pics of the Iraqi people hugging the US Marines and, a few, kissing them on the cheek Good old Eric ought to consider adding a few snapshots from the celebration of Iraqi Exiles in Deepborn, Mi. Eric ought to thank God that he lives in a Country where he could post this garbage on the internet without fear of the government knocking in his door and jailing him indefinitely like the Saddam Hussein regime did to opposition on a daily basis Blummy might want to add a few pics of the 300 or so children released from a jail by the US Marines because they or their family were in opposition to Iraq's Ba'ath Party to the first video too Eric Blumrich=MORON
April 10, 200323 yr I think this column is powerful, honest and important. More so than the videos. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/09/opinion/09FRIE.html
April 10, 200323 yr Author Someone should e-mail Eric Blumrich and tell him he has to amend his second video..... to show the Iraqi people dancing and spitting on the statue of Saddam Hussein after Rumsfeld's quote Maybe throw in a few pics of the Iraqi people hugging the US Marines and, a few, kissing them on the cheek Good old Eric ought to consider adding a few snapshots from the celebration of Iraqi Exiles in Deepborn, Mi. Eric ought to thank God that he lives in a Country where he could post this garbage on the internet without fear of the government knocking in his door and jailing him indefinitely like the Saddam Hussein regime did to opposition on a daily basis Blummy might want to add a few pics of the 300 or so children released from a jail by the US Marines because they or their family were in opposition to Iraq's Ba'ath Party to the first video too Eric Blumrich=MORON Or how about the ones showing the few MILLION that were NOT out celebration. Mushy propaganda always works doesn't it? Baghdad is a city of 5 MILLION and 1000 came out?
April 10, 200323 yr Author A piece from CBS by Andy Rooney: I've lived a long while now and I don't remember any more unpleasant times than these. I'm not even interested in reading the sports pages. I hate everything about this war except that we're winning it. You can't even be critical, either, without sounding unpatriotic. It's why Peter Arnett got fired by NBC for speaking on Iraqi television. I'm patriotic but I wish our government would stop treating this war as if they had to sell it to us with slick advertising slogans. The White House Web site puts out a bulletin about the war with this headline: OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. Come on, all we want is the news, not a sales pitch. They called our bombing campaign against Baghdad "Shock and Awe." After the UN refused to approve the war, our government put together a list of countries it said supported us. They called it a "coalition of the willing." The generals don't talk about American soldiers. It's always "coalition forces." It's as if there were no Americans there. Reporters have been sucked into it, too. The word makes it sound as though we're just a few countries short of having the whole world on our side, and that isn't true. Most of the world is against us. The Administration says 49 countries are part of the coalition. I see that Eritrea, Uganda and Iceland are on our side. The fact is, though, we're in this thing with the British, who have 45,000 soldiers there, and the Australians, who have 2,000. That's it. The other 46 wish us well or let us fly bombers over their country. Big deal. We've practically bribed some of them. We offered Turkey $15 billion to let our troops go through there but they refused. President Bush won't be sending the president of Turkey anything for his birthday this year. There aren't any good wars, but this one is especially bad. We want to win it quickly without more death but we're grown-up people, too. The President, Rumsfeld and the generals ought to stop treating us like children. Tell us the truth. We can take it even when it's bad. And the only real good news will be when this terrible time in American history is over.
April 10, 200323 yr Eric Blumrich=MORON Mushy propaganda always works doesn't it? i guess you would know better than any of us
April 10, 200323 yr A piece from CBS by Andy Rooney: I've lived a long while now and I don't remember any more unpleasant times than these. I'm not even interested in reading the sports pages. I hate everything about this war except that we're winning it. You can't even be critical, either, without sounding unpatriotic. It's why Peter Arnett got fired by NBC for speaking on Iraqi television. I'm patriotic but I wish our government would stop treating this war as if they had to sell it to us with slick advertising slogans. The White House Web site puts out a bulletin about the war with this headline: OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. Come on, all we want is the news, not a sales pitch. They called our bombing campaign against Baghdad "Shock and Awe." After the UN refused to approve the war, our government put together a list of countries it said supported us. They called it a "coalition of the willing." The generals don't talk about American soldiers. It's always "coalition forces." It's as if there were no Americans there. Reporters have been sucked into it, too. The word makes it sound as though we're just a few countries short of having the whole world on our side, and that isn't true. Most of the world is against us. The Administration says 49 countries are part of the coalition. I see that Eritrea, Uganda and Iceland are on our side. The fact is, though, we're in this thing with the British, who have 45,000 soldiers there, and the Australians, who have 2,000. That's it. The other 46 wish us well or let us fly bombers over their country. Big deal. We've practically bribed some of them. We offered Turkey $15 billion to let our troops go through there but they refused. President Bush won't be sending the president of Turkey anything for his birthday this year. There aren't any good wars, but this one is especially bad. We want to win it quickly without more death but we're grown-up people, too. The President, Rumsfeld and the generals ought to stop treating us like children. Tell us the truth. We can take it even when it's bad. And the only real good news will be when this terrible time in American history is over. how bad as it gotten for apu that he now has andy rooney as an ally???
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