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Andrea Dworkin Dies

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http://www.local10.com/entertainment/4371684/detail.html

 

Far be it from me to take delight in the death of a fellow human but given that someone is probably going to die everyday it may as well have been this vitriolic shrew. It is supremely ironic that this raging harridan of anti-pornography should be the poster girl for those who might wish to explain the need for pictures of pretty women. I mean, human reproduction might cease completely if men were confronted regularly with images of this, uhhh, woman. Or did the news service accidentally put a picture of Sam Kinnison in her place. No, that would be an insult to Sam---he was better looking than this.

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QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 10:57 AM)
http://www.local10.com/entertainment/4371684/detail.html

 

Far be it from me to take delight in the death of a fellow human but given that someone is probably going to die everyday it may as well have been this vitriolic shrew. It is supremely ironic that this raging harridan of anti-pornography should be the poster girl for those who might wish to explain the need for pictures of pretty women. I mean, human reproduction might cease completely if men were confronted regularly with images of this, uhhh, woman. Or did the news service accidentally put a picture of Sam Kinnison in her place. No, that would be an insult to Sam---he was better looking than this.

 

I don't know much about her...but I know I don't like fat chicks and I love pornography! So f*** her!

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QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 10:02 AM)
I don't know much about her...but I know I don't like fat chicks and I love pornography!  So f*** her!

 

She was a famous (or should that be infamous?) feminist who gained a lot of notoriety saying that most sex is rape etc. etc. Here are a few of her quotes

 

Sex - "No woman needs intercourse; few women escape it."

 

Marriage - "Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership."

 

Seduction - "Seduction is often difficult to distinguish from rape. In seduction, the rapist often bothers to buy a bottle of wine."

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:15 AM)
She was a famous (or should that be infamous?) feminist who gained a lot of notoriety saying that most sex is rape etc. etc.  Here are a few of her quotes

 

Sex - "No woman needs intercourse; few women escape it."

 

Marriage - "Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership."

 

Seduction - "Seduction is often difficult to distinguish from rape. In seduction, the rapist often bothers to buy a bottle of wine."

 

Wow...pretty sick woman. Like I said, f*** her!

I never read about this woman until her death.

 

Fact is that some of what she says (from articles that I have read since her passing) have kernals of truth.

 

Regardless, must we be so disrespectful to someone that has just died? How would you like it if a parent or a sibling died and then someone who didn't like what the deceased person dedicated their life to and went on a rant about that deceased family member being a "fat b****" or a "fat bastard" or a "total idiot?"

 

I can understand disagreeing with her work, but can it be constructive criticsm (why you think she is off her rocker) rather than name calling?

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:33 AM)
I never read about this woman until her death.

 

Fact is that some of what she says (from articles that I have read since her passing) have kernals of truth. 

 

Regardless, must we be so disrespectful to someone that has just died?  How would you like it if a parent or a sibling died and then someone who didn't like what the deceased person dedicated their life to and went on a rant about that deceased family member being a "fat b****" or a "fat bastard" or a "total idiot?" 

 

I can understand disagreeing with her work, but can it be constructive criticsm (why you think she is off her rocker) rather than name calling?

 

 

I agree. I don't know anything about her either.. but I wouldn't dream of saying "f*** her". Rather disrespectful, IMO as well.

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QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 10:33 AM)
I never read about this woman until her death.

 

Fact is that some of what she says (from articles that I have read since her passing) have kernals of truth. 

 

Regardless, must we be so disrespectful to someone that has just died?  How would you like it if a parent or a sibling died and then someone who didn't like what the deceased person dedicated their life to and went on a rant about that deceased family member being a "fat b****" or a "fat bastard" or a "total idiot?" 

 

I can understand disagreeing with her work, but can it be constructive criticsm (why you think she is off her rocker) rather than name calling?

 

QP, its simple turnabout. Insinuating that men rape women in marriage and her pseudo-science regarding pornography (which has been discredited by most actual research on the subject) -- she deserves a bit of fair play in receiving some of the vitriol she's spewed throughout the years.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 10:42 AM)
QP, its simple turnabout.  Insinuating that men rape women in marriage and her pseudo-science regarding pornography (which has been discredited by most actual research on the subject) -- she deserves a bit of fair play in receiving some of the vitriol she's spewed throughout the years.

 

 

I somewhat agree with this here. Obviously she didn't have too kind of words to men, should she expect men to have kind words to her.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 10:42 AM)
QP, its simple turnabout.  Insinuating that men rape women in marriage

Just to clarify--there is such a crime as marital rape. Not necessarily in the sense that Dworkin means, though.

 

Also, I would say that Dworkin is a main reason that feminism today has a bad rap. She was an interesting thinker, but not my cup o' tea....

 

Oh, and Dworkin was married, iirc....

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:29 AM)
I somewhat agree with this here. Obviously she didn't have too kind of words to men, should she expect men to have kind words to her.

no, but it kind of proves her point about men as aggressors, huh?

I'm not getting into this gender war. Women are wonderful!!!!!

alive or dead, an asshole is an asshole. I'm not going to show up at her funeral and rail her. That would certainly be disrespectful.

 

She basically says Men are scumbags...my response to that is f*** you. I think its fair.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:33 AM)
no, but it kind of proves her point about men as aggressors, huh?

 

 

I'm not saying anything bad about her. I think Feminism is alright aslong as it doesn't get out of control. I'm just saying that she probably offended men about what she said, so obviously some men aren't going to say very nice things about her.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:35 PM)
I'm not getting into this gender war.  Women are wonderful!!!!!

 

I agree! :cheers Here's to women!

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:33 AM)
no, but it kind of proves her point about men as aggressors, huh?

 

No, it doesn't. If anything, the reaction from the men in this thread clearly show that she's the aggressor.

QUOTE(winodj @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:37 AM)
I agree!  :cheers  Here's to women!

 

 

lol I'll agree too, I wouldn't have a sig if it wasn't for women.

Me neither!

QUOTE(winodj @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:38 PM)
Me neither!

 

 

MOST women are wonderful. :unsure:

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:38 AM)
I wouldn't have a sig if it wasn't for women.

 

I'd be spending money on Vaseline if it weren't for women! :D

QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:40 AM)
I'd be spending money on Vaseline if it weren't for women! :D

 

 

lol nice

QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:40 PM)
I'd be spending money on Vaseline if it weren't for women!   :D

 

Going gay is never the answer! :bang

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QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:37 AM)
I think Feminism is alright aslong as it doesn't get out of control.

Oh good.

But what she preached was NOT feminism--it was about female superiority. Which is about as similar to feminism as McDonald's is to Morton's.

QUOTE(TheBigHurt35 @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:40 AM)
I'd be spending money on Vaseline if it weren't for women! :D

 

:lol:

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 12:42 PM)
Oh good.

But what she preached was NOT feminism--it was about female superiority. Which is about as similar to feminism as McDonald's is to Morton's.

 

 

Sorry I didn't read anything she did. I honestly never even heard of her until recently. So I'm a little clueless about her female superiority stuff.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Apr 13, 2005 -> 11:42 AM)
But what she preached was NOT feminism--it was about female superiority.

 

Well, she's correct when that logic is applied to cooking and cleaning. :P

 

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