Trade Frank Thomas?

[Jabroni]

I couldn't agree with you more. I think it just feels right that Frank should be back and help this team. After watching yesterday's game I'm convinced there's something special to this team. And I want Frank to be a part of it. After 20 games in the minors, I really think Frank will get the cobwebs out and be ready.

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Good point, and if you recall, Frank has said that one of the reasons he is still playing is because he wants to win it all. You couldn't trade him and f*** him over like that when we have a great chance of a post-season berth after what he has done for and meant to the Sox organization.

Edited May 22, 2005 by Jabroni

[JUGGERNAUT]

But we are trying to win THIS YEAR.  What could the Angels give us that would help us win more THIS YEAR than Frank Thomas?  It's not like they are going to ship us Francisco Rodriguez for Frank and even he wouldn't help us win more than Frank.

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I'm not so sure about that. F-ROD was instrumental in helping the LAA win a World Series. When you get to the post season most of the teams you face have good pitching. Dominating pitching usually makes the difference.

 

I agree I don't see him being available either. He's only in his 3rd yr. If I were GM of the WSox I'm not trading Frank for equal value. Either LAA is willing to overpay because of their dire circumstances or forget it. I can't be blinded by the fact either that we are 31-12 w/out Frank & given that we have held the lead in over 40 of those games at one time I can't help think that we would be even better with a player like F-ROD.

[elrockinMT]

I couldn't agree with you more. I think it just feels right that Frank should be back and help this team. After watching yesterday's game I'm convinced there's something special to this team. And I want Frank to be a part of it. After 20 games in the minors, I really think Frank will get the cobwebs out and be ready.

 

 

And just think of the fire the Big Hurt is going to bring with him when he takes the field with the Sox again. The man could singlehandly raise our offesne and team as a whole to the next level. He is a super star.

[whitesoxin']

I would never, ever trade Frank Thomas. He is the face of this franchise. When he comes back, our lineup will be outstanding. And why would we trade him to a possible playoff opponent? There is no way I would ever want the Sox to trade Frank, no matter how good of prospects we get. Prospects are just that, prospects, not proven veteran leaders who are on the verge of hitting 500 home runs.

[whitesoxin']

The team needs a balance of veterans and youngsters, etc. What Frank Thomas can and does bring to this team by his leadership & his presence on the field can't be measured. He is a professional hitter, who will take the walk, go to the opposite field, hit with power, etc, and all that does is make the line up that much stronger. I think it will also help the likes of Paulie, Carl and Jermaine, as well as others. Frank Thomas deserves to be back in a Chisox uniform and helping this team to the championship. The man is headed to the Hall of Fame and I want it to be in a Sox uniform.

I agree with everything you said. There is no way I ever want to trade Big Frank. I hope he retires as a White Sox and goes into the HOF wearing our cap.

[LosMediasBlancas]

All of you are right, this won't happen.

1. Insiders will tell you that 'the people who really run the Sox' want him to retire in a White Sox uniform, period.

2. Why trade with a potential AL playoff team?

3. It's too early to determine what our needs are, or what we'd want in return.

[Jabroni]

All of you are right, this won't happen.

1.  Insiders will tell you that 'the people who really run the Sox' want him to retire in a White Sox uniform, period.

2.  Why trade with a potential AL playoff team?

3.  It's too early to determine what our needs are, or what we'd want in return.

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Not to mention, what if either Everett or Dye get injured again? Who would we DH? Depth is important.

[TLAK]

I agree with everything you said. There is no way I ever want to trade Big Frank. I hope he retires as a White Sox and goes into the HOF wearing our cap.

Agreed

 

The only way I can conscience Frank Thomas leaving the White Sox is if his skills decline to the point he can't make the team but still wants to play. I don't think that day has come but if it does he would deserve his chance to stay in the majors somewhere else -like Babe Ruth going to the Braves.

 

He will help this team tremendously when he comes back this year.

[LosMediasBlancas]

Not to mention, what if either Everett or Dye get injured again?  Who would we DH?  Depth is important.

 

It's wise to keep all 3 if possible, one of them is bound to be hot at any particular time.

[JUGGERNAUT]

The White Sox do have a weakness looking towards the post season.

They lack a dominating bullpen. We saw that in yesterday's game.

You can't simply ignore the numbers of past years for the guys in our pen.

 

12L: SP 6, RP 6

 

It's not lack of hitting that has kept us from being better. We have held the lead pitching into the 8th & 9th in nearly all of the games we've played.

If we were to trade Thomas it should be for nothing less than a low risk dominating relief pitcher.

[Jabroni]

The White Sox do have a weakness looking towards the post season.

They lack a dominating bullpen.  We saw that in yesterday's game.

You can't simply ignore the numbers of past years for the guys in our pen.

 

12L: SP 6, RP 6  

 

It's not lack of hitting that has kept us from being better.  We have held the lead pitching into the 8th & 9th in nearly all of the games we've played.

If we were to trade Thomas it should be for nothing less than a low risk dominating relief pitcher.

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No contending team would want to give that up. They would want to send us prospects for Frank.

Edited May 22, 2005 by Jabroni

[rafacosta]

I dont like the idea of trading Frank, especially our offense is not that powerful.. However, if we trade him, what about Brazoban? Gagne is back and he is expendable.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm one of the biggest Thomas fans in the world but I can't argue with his general premise.  The LAA are leading their division & have spent a fortune to do so.  Vladdy just got hurt. 

 

It's a team who is desperate for a hitter like Thomas with good talent to trade.  I'm not saying do it, but you would be a fool not to see what they are offering.

I'd trade for Dallas McPherson.

[JUGGERNAUT]

No contending team would want to give that up.  They would want to send us prospects for Frank.

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It depends on a team's depth. If a team has strong relief depth (incl their ml's) they will look to shore up their greatest weakness relying on that depth. LAA might fit that mold.

 

Consider the WSox as an example. We would only trade Frank because with Everett our depth at DH is strong. Our greatest weakness is the lack of a dominating relief pitcher. Unless we can shore that up it makes no sense in trading Frank. You don't trade your depth for the future in a year you could go to the WS.

 

Koney is unsigned & not likely to return. There is no one on the team now or in the minors that has Frank's HR potential going forward. He has not been healthy over the last contract so this greatly favors the WSox in a contract extension for Frank. Nomar went from a guaranteed 60M/5 to an 8M/1 not because of his play but because of his health. I see Frank in a similar boat.

 

Since F-ROD was mentioned let's be realistic. If LAA were to trade him for Frank they are essentially trading away a part of their future for a trip to the post season

this year. Without F-ROD they are not likely to advance in the post season. But w/out Thomas they are not likely to get there.

Edited May 22, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[Chisoxfn]

It depends on a team's depth.  If a team has strong relief depth (incl their ml's) they will look to shore up their greatest weakness relying on that depth.  LAA might fit that mold.

 

Consider the WSox has an example.  We would only trade Frank because with Everett our depth at DH is strong.  Our greatest weakness is the lack of a dominating relief pitcher.  Unless we cah shore that up it makes no sense in trading Frank.  You don't trade your depth for the future in a year you could go to the WS. 

 

Koney is unsigned & not likely to return.  There is no one on the team now or in the minors that has Frank's HR potential going forward.  He has not been healthy over the last contract so this greatly favors the WSox in a contract extension for Frank. Nomar went from a guaranteed 60M/5 to an 8M/1 not because of his play but because of his health.  I see Frank in a similar boat.

 

Since F-ROD was mentioned let's be realistic.  If LAA were to trade him for Frank they are essentially trading away a part of their future for a trip to the post season

this year.  Without F-ROD they are not likely to advance in the post season.  But w/out Thomas they are not likely to get there.

Umm...they aren't trading Krod. For cripes sakes they wouldn't give up McPherson (even though I mentioned his name) to get RJ so I highly doubt they'd give up Krod for Frank (a guy that hasn't played in almost a year at the major league level).

 

Wouldn't you think they would be just as well off getting Aubrey Huff (and then they could give up prospects only???). Sox won't be able to get value for Frank unless he's at the major league level raking, imo.

[LosMediasBlancas]

The White Sox do have a weakness looking towards the post season.

They lack a dominating bullpen.  We saw that in yesterday's game.

You can't simply ignore the numbers of past years for the guys in our pen.

 

12L: SP 6, RP 6

 

It's not lack of hitting that has kept us from being better.  We have held the lead pitching into the 8th & 9th in nearly all of the games we've played.

If we were to trade Thomas it should be for nothing less than a low risk dominating relief pitcher.

Too soon to tell. Politte had his 1st shaky outing yesterday, that will happen. I still believe either Shingo or Marte might regain form. Let's wait it out.

[Princess Dye]

also, lets remember: Frank probably will play elsewhere next year. i dont see him finishing his career here, unless he retires right after this year. like the article said, there's no way we pay him 10 mil......... and if we buy him out, i doubt he'd be coming back for less

 

 

i think i would hesitate to pull any trades....... at worst, he still gets tons of walks. at worst-of-worst, he gives us that much needed RH bat off the bench.

 

or Dye could provide that when Frank returns.

 

and Everett can give us that too. he's been hitting better from the righthand side this year it seems.

Edited May 22, 2005 by Princess Dye

[AnthraxFan93]

Bingo!  Why do you think Paulie has sucked so bad this season?

 

no Frank = no protection in the lineup for Paulie

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What does Frank have to do with Pauly Struggles?

 

Line-up last year

 

3 Maggs

4. Frank

5 Pauly

 

This year projected

 

3. Frank

4. Pauly

 

Still confused as how Frank Protects Pauly..its the other way around, Dye was brought in to protect Pauly and he simply is not getting it done.

[JUGGERNAUT]

also, lets remember: Frank probably will play elsewhere next year.

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I strongly disagree with this. Regardless of the numbers he puts up in the 2nd half he's a much greater injury risk going for. That's going to drive down his price considerably.

If he helps the White Sox win in the post season is that not worth $10M in 2006?

 

What's likely to happen is that the WSox will work out a contract extension that he's heavy on performance & health incentives. Of all the players on the WSox right now Thomas is the most likely to accept less $'s, & less years for a shot at the WS. Is there any reason to think the WSox are not WS contenders now?

[Chisoxfn]

I strongly disagree with this.  Regardless of the numbers he puts up in the 2nd half he's a much greater injury risk going for.  That's going to drive down his price considerably.

If he helps the White Sox win in the post season is that not worth $10M in 2006? 

 

What's likely to happen is that the WSox will work out a contract extension that he's heavy on performance & health incentives.  Of all the players on the WSox right now Thomas is the most likely to accept less $'s, & less years for a shot at the WS.  Is there any reason to think the WSox are not WS contenders now?

No getting Garland reupped and keeping the rotation/pen intact is much more important, imo. I would not pay Frank Thomas 10 mill next year. Unless he comes in and plays like he did back in his prime.

[AnthraxFan93]

No getting Garland reupped and keeping the rotation/pen intact is much more important, imo.  I would not pay Frank Thomas 10 mill next year.  Unless he comes in and plays like he did back in his prime.

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Lets see if Garland can keep this up all season before we start paying him way to much money.. Remember Baldwin in 2000, let hope this first 2 months is great but lets see what can get 15-18 wins from garland.

 

If he does, then yeah pay him.. trade Hernandez, for a 1b prospect say like Overbay Then reload the Bullpen. Pitching staff is set

 

As for offense, depending on what anderson/sweeney does on the farm, will depend on what we do there.. lets wait and see right now.

[knightni]

Still confused as how Frank Protects Pauly..its the other way around, Dye was brought in to protect Pauly and he simply is not getting it done.

You know... I was thinking along those lines.

 

Maybe...

 

Pods

Gooch

ARow

Kong

Hurt

Carl

AJ

Crede

Uribe

 

would be a better lineup.

 

Thomas knows that the team is succeeding without him; yet, he knows that Paulie could use protection.

 

Would they consider using him in the #5 spot to protect Kong?

[JUGGERNAUT]

If you look at Konerko's numbers over the past 4 yrs they are best when Thomas is hitting in front of him. Koney has stated it himself this off season. Thomas consumes a LOT of pitches over his ab's. This gives Koney the opportunity to see a lot more pitches before his ab & face a pitcher who is probably a little tired mentally & physically after facing Thomas. Even if it's for a short while.

 

Simply put, Thomas weakens pitchers for Koney better than any one else has.

[JUGGERNAUT]

As for next year, I doubt very much the WSox will pay Thomas $10M. It's much more likely they work out a contract extension similar to his last contract only more health & performance driven with incentives. A higher payout if he reaches the incentives but lower base if he doesn't.

 

Thomas is going to be much more reluctant to leave a WS contender & much more likely to accept the fairest deal the WSox will make.

 

Untl someone proves otherwise, will be adding Cy in front of Garland's name with a Santana price tag. If he wins the Cy we can afford it. His marquee status will pay his salary. What do you think will be the avg attendance for Cy Garland home games?

[sayitaintso]

The only way i would get rid of Frank is if the Sox got Chone Figgins, a bullpen arm, and a minor leaguer. Figgins is a super utility guy who can play third base....for crede, and a bullpen arm for Viz cause hes been sucking it up lately.