Contreras is having a better season than Burnett or Schmidt  and he's way better than McCarthy.

 

So unless we're getting Roger Clemens, I'll stick with Jose, even though he does frustrate at times.

 

 

Well the Counts next start is against his favorite team, the BoSox. This will give us a good barometer of how far he has truly come.

Its hard to learn when you have no confidence

 

If you get beat up in AAA, then you have more problems than your confidence. We shouldn't be babying McCarthy in the minors. If we were to send him down to AA, that might shatter his confidence more than any shelling he'd receive in AAA.

Well the Counts next start is against his favorite team, the BoSox.  This will give us a good barometer of how far he has truly come.

 

Can we pray for rain now?

Based on this season, yes, Cotts is better than Marte but the difference is that Marte has shown previous MLB dominance in which case BMac hasn;t shown in AAA or MLB.

 

And the AAA for Cotts was a typo....

So that doesn't mean Marte's automatically going to pick it up and perform like he did in the past. What about Kevin Walker after 2000? Cotts and B-Mac are very similar, and you're seeing the rewards in developing one of them so far.

A hah! Look at Contreras, how is he to learn and better himself, especially in the postseason....without confidence?????

Contreas= 35

Bmac= 21

 

Thats a big differnce

If you get beat up in AAA, then you have more problems than your confidence.  We shouldn't be babying McCarthy in the minors.  If we were to send him down to AA, that might shatter his confidence more than any shelling he'd receive in AAA.

Thats why he should have started the season in AA

If you get beat up in AAA, then you have more problems than your confidence.  We shouldn't be babying McCarthy in the minors.  If we were to send him down to AA, that might shatter his confidence more than any shelling he'd receive in AAA.

Based on his last outing, he's not getting shelled in Charlotte any more. What we're trying to say is that he should have been sent down in AA in the 1st place, but now that he's in AAA they'll stick with him there.

So that doesn't mean Marte's automatically going to pick it up and perform like he did in the past. What about Kevin Walker after 2000? Cotts and B-Mac are very similar, and you're seeing the rewards in developing one of them so far.

To me, you just lost all credibilty you ever had and ever will have be comparing Marte to Walker.

Contreas= 35

Bmac= 21

 

Thats a big differnce

 

Contreras has the mental mindset of a teenager on the mound. Nothing against the man, as he's gone through more than all of us combined in his life, but I don't trust him for a second in a crucial situation.

Based on this season, yes, Cotts is better than Marte but the difference is that Marte has shown previous MLB dominance in which case BMac hasn;t shown in AAA or MLB.

 

And the AAA for Cotts was a typo....

And yet when he came up to the majors he struggled like McCarthy. See the comparison, and the benefits we're seeing with Cotts now?

By the way in Neal's very short first stint he had an era of 8.10, bmac 8.14 so basically the same damn thing. Have patience.

Contreas= 35

Bmac= 21

 

Thats a big differnce

Schmidt= 32

By the way in Neal's very short first stint he had an era of 8.10, bmac 8.14 so basically the same damn thing.  Have patience.

Which is unfortunately something that a lot of White Sox fans don't have a great deal of.

Schmidt= 32

So what does that mean?

Schmidt= 32

 

Im trying to say young people lose confidence more easy then older players

Based on his last outing, he's not getting shelled in Charlotte any more. What we're trying to say is that he should have been sent down in AA in the 1st place, but now that he's in AAA they'll stick with him there.

 

After the ST he had, there was no chance he was going back to AA. The funny thing is, and I swear on my life this is true, when I saw McCarthy in ST, he looked the same as he did in the majors. I didn't understand why people weren't hitting him, and his stuff was rather underwhelming. I remember asking my brother how he was getting people out with what he was throwing up to the plate.

 

Im trying to say young people lose confidence more easy then older players

But Contreras loses confidence quicker than a 12 year old playing a video game.

After the ST he had, there was no chance he was going back to AA.  The funny thing is, and I swear on my life this is true, when I saw McCarthy in ST, he looked the same as he did in the majors.  I didn't understand why people weren't hitting him, and his stuff was rather underwhelming.  I remember asking my brother how he was getting people out with what he was throwing up to the plate.

Which is why I was saying the great ST was probably the last thing he needed. They were bound to catch up with him eventually.

A big problem in this debate is that too many people think the Sox have clinched the AL Central this season. Schmidt would be a big part in helping to assure we would hold on to our lead. I trust Schmidt to not hit the wall during the pennant stretch. I can't say the same for Contreras. If we could trade Contreras, Shingo, McCarthy, and another lower prospect for Schmidt and Hawkins, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

But Contreras loses confidence quicker than a 12 year old playing a video game.

and i was also saying the you cant compare a 21 year old to a 35 year old

Which is why I was saying the great ST was probably the last thing he needed. They were bound to catch up with him eventually.

So you're saying it was a fluke?

The whole Bmac portion of this thread is dumb. He is a prospect. What will make him a break out prospect is one of two things. Either he gains some weight in those legs and maybe gets a few mph on his fastball which will make its straightness a non issue. Or he will work on getting some movement and get better control in the strikezone. He is 21. He can become the next incarnation of Mark Prior or the next Felix Diaz. Time will only tell.

 

 

Conteras however is a mental midget. The frustrating thing is his talent. He has million dollar talent with a 10 cent head. His career 13.50ERA against the Bosox will be tested over the weekend.

Which is why I was saying the great ST was probably the last thing he needed. They were bound to catch up with him eventually.

 

Exactly. DBAHO, I think you and I are on the same page with all of this. Again, in no way am I saying his career is over before it really ever started.

Which is unfortunately something that a lot of White Sox fans don't have a great deal of.

I'm not going to lie and say it's an easy thing to do but you have to, that's the only way young players are going to learn and get better. Hell, look at Jenks, I love what they're doing with him, he might take a few lumps this year but this learning experience will give him a shot to be a key cog to next years club and he's got a shot to be an absolutely dominate reliever, he's special and you can't give up on him if he gets wild this year or gets hit a bit this year, cause those things probably will happen, doesn't mean he won't be a great reliever some day cause he's got a great shot to be one.

and i was also saying the you cant compare a 21 year old to a 35 year old

 

Says who. I know a lot of 35 year olds that had the maturity of a nickle.