uribe will heat up, you have to keep him in the lineup

 

 

I don't really know about him heating umm....that swing is the grossest looking thing I have seen in awhile.....His back has got to hurt like s*** after games

Jermaine Dye hasn't committed an error at shortstop either. By the way that helped out my fantasy team a great deal. To be able to put a stick like Dye in my MI spot is just awesome.

 

However, I digress. Hibbard, there is not a statistic out there that can actually prove someone's defensive worth. It is really impossible to do that. Just watch the games and you will notice how damn good Uribe is at SS. Watch the games and you will see such a huge downgrade in quality when Pablo fills in for Uribe. Uribe is a stud in the field and that should not even be up for debate.

 

His bat I would like to improve. However, is Pablo really that huge of an upgrade offensively that you would be able to deal with the huge downgrade defensively? Who is to say that if you start playing Pablo day in and day out that he will be that good offensively? Plus SS2K pointed out that Pablo has absolutely no power. There is no way I am taking a chance with him playing everyday when I am not making my team any better. Now if you want to acquire a SS like Vizquel then I can understand that and I am with you, however I am not for replacing him with Pablo as the everyday SS.

 

Hibbard, I understand you jsut want to try to make this team better, but this would not do that. This team is based on pitching and defense. The Sox are close to unbeatable when they don't create an error. You can't risk losing a guy like Uribe when your team is built like that.

Our starting LF also has a superior OBP and has 50+ steals to compensate for his SLG.

 

Ozuna has the most steals/game played on the team after Podsednik. If he played every day, he'd have 20+ steals by now. I'd take a speedy on-base guy over a swing-at-anything occasional slugger any day. What's Uribe's slugging....I'll bet it's less than .400.

 

My point is, what the hell does Uribe do to make up for everything he doesn't do? Not much.

 

Also, I misread Pablo's error chart...that was my bad.

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SHUT THE HELL UP...MORON :finger  :finger  :finger         :rolly

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WOW! Isn't that a personal attack? STHU Moron? Is that really necessary?

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Ozuna has the most steals/game played on the team after Podsednik. If he played every day, he'd have 20+ steals by now. I'd take a speedy on-base guy over a swing-at-anything occasional slugger any day. What's Uribe's slugging....I'll bet it's less than .400.

 

My point is, what the hell does Uribe do to make up for everything he doesn't do? Not much.

 

Also, I misread Pablo's error chart...that was my bad.

Uribe's defense>>>Ozuna's

 

Uribe makes up the differntial in AVG with HR and RBI

WOW! Isn't that a personal attack? STHU Moron? Is that really necessary?

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YES IT IS

Now I may be a moron, but I certainly am not going to shut the hell up.

However, I digress. Hibbard, there is not a statistic out there that can actually prove someone's defensive worth. It is really impossible to do that. Just watch the games and you will notice how damn good Uribe is at SS. Watch the games and you will see such a huge downgrade in quality when Pablo fills in for Uribe. Uribe is a stud in the field and that should not even be up for debate.

 

His bat I would like to improve. However, is Pablo really that huge of an upgrade offensively that you would be able to deal with the huge downgrade defensively? Who is to say that if you start playing Pablo day in and day out that he will be that good offensively? Plus SS2K pointed out that Pablo has absolutely no power. There is no way I am taking a chance with him playing everyday when I am not making my team any better. Now if you want to acquire a SS like Vizquel then I can understand that and I am with you, however I am not for replacing him with Pablo as the everyday SS.

 

 

This pretty much sums it up. As much as some people would like it to, with all of the intangibles and intracacies of baseball, so much of baseball is unquantifiable. Defense is hugely unquantifiable. You have to watch the games to appreciate what Juan Uribe brings to the field. You can't judge everything with statistics.

SHUT THE HELL UP...MORON :finger  :finger  :finger      :rolly

 

May i ask why soxtalk has turned into complete s*** ( actually just pale hose)? Does anyone have that answer?

It would certainly be a nice change if people just ignored the threads they didn't like rather than flame them.... :rolly

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YES IT IS

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No it really isn't. It is how a child argues. When a child can't think of anything bright to say or anything to back his/her argument they start name calling. I find it repulsive that you find this kind of behavior as a good thing. Grow up.

Dude he wants Ozuna to start instead of Uribe. You have got to be kidding me if you think Ozuna is anywere near the talent of Uribe.

Jermaine Dye hasn't committed an error at shortstop either. By the way that helped out my fantasy team a great deal. To be able to put a stick like Dye in my MI spot is just awesome.

 

However, I digress. Hibbard, there is not a statistic out there that can actually prove someone's defensive worth. It is really impossible to do that. Just watch the games and you will notice how damn good Uribe is at SS. Watch the games and you will see such a huge downgrade in quality when Pablo fills in for Uribe. Uribe is a stud in the field and that should not even be up for debate.

 

His bat I would like to improve. However, is Pablo really that huge of an upgrade offensively that you would be able to deal with the huge downgrade defensively? Who is to say that if you start playing Pablo day in and day out that he will be that good offensively? Plus SS2K pointed out that Pablo has absolutely no power. There is no way I am taking a chance with him playing everyday when I am not making my team any better. Now if you want to acquire a SS like Vizquel then I can understand that and I am with you, however I am not for replacing him with Pablo as the everyday SS.

 

Hibbard, I understand you jsut want to try to make this team better, but this would not do that. This team is based on pitching and defense. The Sox are close to unbeatable when they don't create an error. You can't risk losing a guy like Uribe when your team is built like that.

 

 

Great response. I do appreciate that some of what Juan does is unquantifiable, and I may have been hasty in suggesting Pablo would be a great fill-in perse. I was honestly just surprised at how bad Juan was at the plate and coupled with what I viewed as mediocre defensive stats, I got on my pedestal and started shouting.

 

However, our most glaring deficiency is on offense it seems, and our most glaringly bad offensive player is Juan Uribe. Isn't there someone available that is better offensively and not a significant downgrade defensively?

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Dude he wants Ozuna to start instead of Uribe.  You have got to be kidding me if you think Ozuna is anywere near the talent of Uribe.

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So then defend your point of view. There is absolutely no need for STHU moron. I mean what the hell did that add to the discussion? Honestly, what? It just makes you look like an immature fool that no one would ever take serious. If that is how you want to come across then mission accomplished.

Great response. I do appreciate that some of what Juan does is unquantifiable, and I may have been hasty in suggesting Pablo would be a great fill-in perse. I was honestly just surprised at how bad Juan was at the plate and coupled with what I viewed as mediocre defensive stats, I got on my pedestal and started shouting.

 

However, our most glaring deficiency is on offense it seems, and our most glaringly bad offensive player is Juan Uribe. Isn't there someone available that is better offensively and not a significant downgrade defensively?

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Yea there are some SS that are better then Uribe, but it would take a s***load to get them... Lugo from TB can hit but doenst have the power that you want as a SS. It wouls have been so much easier if we would have just got Tejada when he was a FA

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Great response. I do appreciate that some of what Juan does is unquantifiable, and I may have been hasty in suggesting Pablo would be a great fill-in perse. I was honestly just surprised at how bad Juan was at the plate and coupled with what I viewed as mediocre defensive stats, I got on my pedestal and started shouting.

 

However, our most glaring deficiency is on offense it seems, and our most glaringly bad offensive player is Juan Uribe. Isn't there someone available that is better offensively and not a significant downgrade defensively?

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Omar Vizquel has been mentioned as well as Alex Gonzalez from the Marlins I believe. We may sign Alex Gonzalez in the off season though because he likes Ozzie.

 

Those two are the only SS I have heard about.

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Yea there are some SS that are better then Uribe, but it would take a s***load to get them... Lugo from TB can hit but doenst have the power that you want as a SS.  It wouls have been so much easier if we would have just got Tejada when he was a FA

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You would want Lugo if he had power? Talk about a defensive liability. That guy is Jose Valentin all over again.

Who ever deemed SS as a power position? Frankly, I think Uribe blows ass -- he is basically an automatic out at the plate -- but he has singlehandidly won us a ton of ballgames this year -- with both his glove and his bat. Doesn't he lead the team in Sac flies?

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Who ever deemed SS as a power position? Frankly, I think Uribe blows ass -- he is basically an automatic out at the plate -- but he has singlehandidly won us a ton of ballgames this year -- with both his glove and his bat. Doesn't he lead the team in Sac flies?

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I do believe you are correct.

You would want Lugo if he had power? Talk about a defensive liability. That guy is Jose Valentin all over again.

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Hey, lets not make fun of Valentin. I wish we still had him. I know I am in the minority, but I liked him.

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Hey,  lets not make fun of Valentin.  I wish we still had him. I know I am in the minority, but I liked him.

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You are definitely in the minority and there is a good reason for that. He was a hack in the field and was home run or nothing at the plate. He was awful.

Valentin was Mr. Clutch -- but he did REALLY blow.

In no way am I satisfied with Uribe because he's been just awful, but Ozuna is nothing more than a MLB backup. Uribe is better defensively, and this being SS, you have to keep him out there until (and if) Kenny decides to upgrade that position.

For as bad as Uribe's been, he has 50 RBI's from the 9-hole. Not bad.

You are definitely in the minority and there is a good reason for that. He was a hack in the field and was home run or nothing at the plate. He was awful.

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Valentin was Mr. Clutch -- but he did REALLY blow.

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He did suck, but i guess i liked him cuz he hit the walk-off vs. the Cubs when I was there.