GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 ESPN 1000 just reported that Jon Garland turned down the White Sox 3 year contract extension offer. It looks like this will be Jon G's final season with the Champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Any ideas as to the numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Any ideas as to the numbers? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, Levine just said that it was a 3 year extension that they were working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Any ideas as to the numbers? They didnt say. It was just an initial offer I'm sure, I wouldnt say already that this means he's gone next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 They didn't say the #s however he is expected to get 7.5 mill this season in avoiding arbatration. I'm guessing he wants to test the free agent market after the '06 season. If I find out the #s i'll let you know. Hopefully KW isn't done negotiating. Jon G is a HUGE piece to our puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) They didn't say the #s however he is expected to get 7.5 mill this season in avoiding arbatration. I'm guessing he wants to test the free agent market after the '06 season. If I find out the #s i'll let you know. Hopefully KW isn't done negotiating. Jon G is a HUGE piece to our puzzle. He will not get 7.5 in arbitration, Bruce pulled that number out of his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 12:30 PM) He will not get 7.5 in arbitration, Bruce pulled that number out of his ass. Â I refuse to believe that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Carmy and Silvy just said negoitations are off. He will go to arbitration and expect a large chunck of change for the '06 season. He will test the market after the season. This is good news and bad news for us. The good news is Jon G. will pitch his heart out for another season. The bad news is- this might be his final season in a Sox uniform. Other starters: Buerhle signed through '07, Garcia signed through '07, This is El-duque and Contreras' last year of there contracts also. Yikes! Lets enjoy the ride at least one more time with this pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) Carmy and Silvy just said negoitations are off. He will go to arbitration and expect a large chunck of change for the '06 season. He will test the market after the season. This is good news and bad news for us. The good news is Jon G. will pitch his heart out for another season. The bad news is- this might be his final season in a Sox uniform. Other starters: Buerhle signed through '07, Garcia signed through '07, This is El-duque and Contreras' last year of there contracts also. Yikes! Lets enjoy the ride at least one more time with this pitching staff. They're just speculating. They know as much as we do right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Oh well, if he leaves after '06, he leaves after '06. Â If he really wants a good contract from someone, he'll have to be really good next year because (I think) the FA market is pretty stocked for that offseason. If he does well, he's already helped us by being a good pitcher. And if he leaves, as I already said, it's a deeper FA pool and it would be easier to find a replacement than it would be now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 (edited) They're just speculating. They know as much as we do right now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It makes sense though. Why would Garland want to sign a cheap 3 year extension now when he could just wait a year and break the bank for a huge deal like B.J. Ryan and Billy Wagner? Edited December 1, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Garland is the littlest pieces of this dominant puzzle. Â If he goes, my girlfriend will be more pissed than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) It makes sense though. Why would Garland want to sign a cheap 3 year extension now when he could just wait a year and break the bank for a huge deal like B.J. Ryan and Billy Wagner? It's still all speculation, we have no clue what's going on in the negotiation process, kind of like when everyone freaked out over Tad last year and not offering right away what he was looking for..it's negotiating. They say he'll go to arbitration which I'm still almost positive won't happen, at worse they'll give him a 1 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 Yep it makes sense for him to test the market. He better hope he can pitch as well as he did in '05 to make big cash after '06. I'm sure the Yankees and Red Sox will offer a ridiculous chunk of change next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 It's still all speculation, we have no clue what's going on in the negotiation process, kind of like when everyone freaked out over Tad last year and not offering right away what he was looking for..it's negotiating. They say he'll go to arbitration which I'm still almost positive won't happen, at worse they'll give him a 1 year deal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And if the Sox give Garland a 1 year deal, he will still be a free agent after next season so what's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Can someone list the major FA's?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 05:43 PM) Can someone list the major FA's?? after the 2006 season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) And if the Sox give Garland a 1 year deal, he will still be a free agent after next season so what's the difference? I'm just saying silvy and carmen are just throwing things out there, they don't know what's going on anymore then we do. I think it's just kind of crazy to assume to say Garland is gone because he turned down an initial offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 09:39 AM) It makes sense though. Why would Garland want to sign a cheap 3 year extension now when he could just wait a year and break the bank for a huge deal like B.J. Ryan and Billy Wagner? 2 reasons.  1...he'll get money sooner. In Arbitration this year he'd probably get a fairly small increase over what he got last year, so if he signed a 3 year deal now, he'd get a bigger chunk of money sooner.  2...risk. He's being offered a big contract extension now...what happens if he pulls a Loaiza next year and his performance falls off dramatically, or worse yet if he gets hurt? You lock that deal up now and you're guaranteed the money even if things don't go well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Oh, by the way, just a reminder for people, I read about a week ago somewhere that the Sox have only gone to arbitration with 1 person in something like the last 10 years. Â Have some confidence in KW. He has plenty of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 I know C. Lee, Jon G., Jose Contreras, J. Dye, El-duque, Iguchi, and Pierzynski will be on that list from the Sox. Unless KW locks them up before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) Can someone list the major FA's?? Here are the starting pitchers:  RHSP:  Paul Wilson (Team Option) Wade Miller Jon Garland Tomo Ohka Gil Meche Greg Maddux Jason Schmidt Jeff Suppan Rick Helling  Brad Radke  Kerry Wood (Mutual Option)  Mike Mussina (Team Option)  Cory Lidle  Kelvim Escobar  Joel Piniero arb?  Chan Ho Park  Jose Contreras  Ryan Franklin  Orlando Hernandez  Jaret Wright (Team + Player Void options)  Kip Wells  Jason Marquis  Vicente Padilla  Adam Eaton  Tim Wakefield (Annual Team Renew Option)  LHSP:  Ted Lilly Mark Redman  Andy Pettitte  Mark Mulder  Barry Zito  Doug Davis  Randy Wolf Mark Buerhle (Team Option)  David Wells  Wilson Alvarez (Retired)  Darrell May  Eric Milton (Void Option) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I'm just saying silvy and carmen are just throwing things out there, they don't know what's going on anymore then we do. I think it's just kind of crazy to assume to say Garland is gone because he turned down an initial offer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There's no way he will be gone due to arbitration. At the very least, Garland will be back on a one year deal like you stated. Unfortunately, that's what I see happening. I think Garland thinks he can repeat his 2005 season and get a crazy contract next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) I know C. Lee, Jon G., Jose Contreras, J. Dye, El-duque, Iguchi, and Pierzynski will be on that list from the Sox. Unless KW locks them up before hand. Dye and Tad both have options...they'll both be back. Since when did we get Carlos back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:47 AM) There's no way he will be gone due to arbitration. At the very least, Garland will be back on a one year deal like you stated. Unfortunately, that's what I see happening. I think Garland thinks he can repeat his 2005 season and get a crazy contract next offseason. I was talking about gone after 06. Just because someone turns down the first offer a team makes doesn't mean they're bolting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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