June 8, 200619 yr How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:04 PM) How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. I'm insulted by announcers who try to excuse a player's error by saying how he's made that play in the past, how much he's contributed to the team this year, etc. They give praise where criticism is necessary.
June 8, 200619 yr errors happen...remember many game saving plays he makes that other 3B don't make...
June 8, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) errors happen...remember many game saving plays he makes that other 3B don't make... Good point DJ.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:07 PM) How come every time Crede makes an error, DJ and Hawk have to defend him by saying how rare it is for him to error and that he's still "the best defensive 3bman in the business"? Crede committed two errors on one play which any other 3Bman would have made and ended the inning, allowing the Sox to retain their 3-2 lead instead of giving the First-place Tigers a gift tieing run in the 7th inning. I'm insulted by announcers who try to excuse a player's error by saying how he's made that play in the past, how much he's contributed to the team this year, etc. They give praise where criticism is necessary. shut up. he also scored the go ahead run. give the guy a break, he makes almost every play.
June 8, 200619 yr If there's one player on this team who deserves a free pass on defense it's Joe Crede. He's saved countless runs in the past and has always been incredibly clutch defensively as well.
June 8, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) shut up. he also scored the go ahead run. give the guy a break, he makes almost every play. Maybe I wasn't clear in my first post: Yes I'm upset at Crede for his lack of ability, but this thread was intended to be more of a criticism of announcers who try to patronize viewers instead of calling a play on its own. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) If there's one player on this team who deserves a free pass on defense it's Joe Crede. He's saved countless runs in the past and has always been incredibly clutch defensively as well. Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers.
June 8, 200619 yr I'm not bashing Crede at all, i also believe that if a player is going to let a run come in its him with all the runs he has saved...however i was a little shocked when i saw it was his 7th of the year already considering he only had 10 all last year.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. Congrats on naming 2 plays that he's screwed up, do you have any idea how many s*** plays you get from other 3B around the league? A whole hell of a lot more than Crede. If you're going to critique the guy pick something else because the one thing you're not going to convince anyone of is that his defense is overrated.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:11 PM) errors happen... The guy who started this thread made an error.
June 8, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:38 PM) Congrats on naming 2 plays that he's screwed up, do you have any idea how many s*** plays you get from other 3B around the league? A whole hell of a lot more than Crede. If you're going to critique the guy pick something else because the one thing you're not going to convince anyone of is that his defense is overrated. OK, Crede also struggles greatly coming in on bunts and swinging bunts. He does not have a bare-hand move in his repertoire.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Maybe I wasn't clear in my first post: Yes I'm upset at Crede for his lack of ability, but this thread was intended to be more of a criticism of announcers who try to patronize viewers instead of calling a play on its own. Like his dropped foul popup against Boston last year? CLUTCH. Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. Okay you can just stop right there. Don't make yourself look like an idiot.
June 8, 200619 yr It was a sharply hit ball that he had to take on the inbetween hop. Your insinuation that "any other 3b makes that play" is greatly exaggerated. The throw was stupid, but the stop itself was far from routine. I was disappointed that he earned an error on it.
June 8, 200619 yr How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is. Miguel Cabrera.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) Miguel Cabrera. Ah yeah, cos he is playing 3B this season isn't he. Still Joe would be a top 5 guy IMHO.
June 8, 200619 yr Let's trade Crede for Aubrey Huff. Ah, winning one-run ballgames and b****ing about Joe Crede, it feels just like 2005 all over again. I can sleep easy tonight.
June 8, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) Okay you can just stop right there. Don't make yourself look like an idiot. Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:44 PM) It was a sharply hit ball that he had to take on the inbetween hop. Your insinuation that "any other 3b makes that play" is greatly exaggerated. The throw was stupid, but the stop itself was far from routine. I was disappointed that he earned an error on it. The ball bounced out of Crede's glove. QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) How many different third baseman would you like right now, compared to the contract, age etc. that you have to factor in for Crede? I can only think of David Wright and maybe Ryan Zimmerman off the top of my head. Crede's hitting much better this season, and he's in a little bit of a slump on the field at the moment. Doesn't mean you should be jumping off a bridge saying how overrated he is. I never stated this year that I want Crede replaced, so your post is irrelevant.
June 8, 200619 yr Crede's defense is overvalued and does not deserve the level of respect he receives from Sox fans and announcers. My gawd. Enough of these posts and I'll think the Sox internet fans are as bad as the nominds who post on the college boards. Give me a break. He is not perfect. He is still a great player, a likeable player and a ballsy player. He comes right back and gets on base and scores the winning run and Jose still gets the win. I can understand burying Anderson or somebody who has yet to do it, but Crede is a god, small g.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 8, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. How many times over the past few seasons have you seen Joe Crede make good defensive plays at 3B, compared to a lot of other third baseman?
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(shoota @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:55 PM) Please explain why I'm an idiot and if you believe Crede is good at making that type of play. The ball bounced out of Crede's glove. I never stated this year that I want Crede replaced, so your post is irrelevant. Well when you're saying that he's getting way too much credit at his position it makes my post relevant. Who the hell else do you want out there? It has been said already, the throw wasn't wise, but he just tried to do too much. From a guy who plays GG defense in a game we ended up winning anyway, you shouldn't complain. EDIT: Sorry not the response to my post, but its still the truth. Edited June 8, 200619 yr by Whitewashed in '05
June 8, 200619 yr If you can't see for yourself how much credit and respect he has earned... how much heart this guy puts into his playing D and hitting...then I guess he sucks...some people don't see talent when its right in front of them..he is not an average 3dbaseman...not by anymeans...don't care what his numbers say or how many errors he commits I'd still take Joe every time.
June 8, 200619 yr QUOTE(gettysburg32 @ Jun 7, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) Let's trade Crede for Aubrey Huff. Ah, winning one-run ballgames and b****ing about Joe Crede, it feels just like 2005 all over again. I can sleep easy tonight. I like the pic of all the hats by the way, very nice.
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