chitownsportsfan Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) No AAA guys or prospects in the minors. I'll name King Felix to start and hopefully a good debate ensues. Felix Hernandez: Off to a bit of a slow start this year, but dominated in a little over 84 innings last year, dazzling everyone with sick stuff and amazing periphereal stats as well. Only 19 and is the youngest player in MLB-- and can't even throw his slider yet, which is apparently his best pitch. Crazy. Stats: In 2005 he pitched 84.1 innings, posting an ERA of 2.67, a K/9 of 8.22, and a K/BB of 3.35. Now for the good stuff: opponents posted an OPS of .545 against him with a G/F ratio of 3.31. Apparently, he has good late and low sink on his pitches! In 2006, according to USSMARINER pitching charts, he's relied too much on the 4 seam fastball early in games, and has had control problems as well. His periphereals are still good, but he isn't getting many people out when he's not striking them out. He had some shin splints in spring training that held him back and conditioning is already an issue in his young career. If he can stay healthy and keep his head about him--staying in good physical condition and not believing his own press clippings--he's all set to be the best pitcher in MLB for the next 10 years. Those are big questions, and many a young pitcher with amazing talent has flamed out too soon. For entertainment value alone, I hope the King beats the odds. Now, someone mention Liriano! Edited June 23, 2006 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuck the Cubs Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Mark Prior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Francisco Liriano, far and away right now. 7-1 w/ a 2.17 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, .572 OPSA, 67:17 K:BB that's 10.34 K/9 /obligatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Liriano appears to be the right answer right now. However, just for fun I'll throw Scott Kazmir and Justin Verlander out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Brandon McCarthy /homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) Liriano appears to be the right answer right now. However, just for fun I'll throw Scott Kazmir and Justin Verlander out there. No doubt, but I'd like to see him do it a little bit longer, at least a few teams having a second go at him (even though I think he'll continue to be great). One guy who I like, even though he's struggled so far this year, and is only a couple of years older than those guys, is Peavy. Not saying I think he'll be the best out of the young guys but just throwing his name out there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 My criteria: 25 or younger. Carlos Zambrano simply blows everyone else away. He leads the majors with a .187 BAA. Here are my Top 20: First Tier: Carlos Zambrano Jake Peavy Rich Harden Second Tier: Danny Haren Scott Kazmir Francisco Liriano Justin Verlander Jeremy Bonderman Jeff Francis Dontrelle Willis Felix Hernandez Ervin Santana Third Tier: Josh Johnson Jered Weaver Enrique Gonzalez Anthony Reyes Matt Cain Cole Hamels Joe Blanton Zach Duke Honorable mention: Chad Billingsley Brandon McCarthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I would take liriano over Zambrano right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 04:05 AM) I would take liriano over Zambrano right now For future benefits? I'll buy that. But right now, at this very moment, Carlos Zambrano is the most unhittable pitcher in the major leagues, regardless of age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) For future benefits? I'll buy that. But right now, at this very moment, Carlos Zambrano is the most unhittable pitcher in the major leagues, regardless of age. He also has a major screw loose. He can be shook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Liriano, Zambrano, King Felix, Josh Johnson. There are a ton of good young guys, but those are my top 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 another thing, I dont see how Liriano and ervin santana can share the same category. Honestly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Francisco Liriano is like the token trendy pick, so I had to diss that motherf***er and leave him out of the first tier. He's probably first tier, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:06 PM) For future benefits? I'll buy that. But right now, at this very moment, Carlos Zambrano is the most unhittable pitcher in the major leagues, regardless of age. I don't know if I'd take Z even now. Liriano is younger, a lefty, walks way less people, is just as unhittable when he does throw strikes (which is a lot more often), and isn't a raging lunatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(rangercal @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 04:08 AM) another thing, I dont see how Liriano and ervin santana can share the same category. Honestly It's more like a class. Liriano would be at the head of the class, while Santana would be at the bottom. Ranking guys is hard, but I agree that Liriano is more valuable than Santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) It's more like a class. Liriano would be at the head of the class, while Santana would be at the bottom. Ranking guys is hard, but I agree that Liriano is more valuable than Santana. I can dig that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 04:08 AM) I don't know if I'd take Z even now. Liriano is younger, a lefty, walks way less people, is just as unhittable when he does throw strikes (which is a lot more often), and isn't a raging lunatic. Yeah, it's a matter of opinion. I think the fact that Zambrano is a Cub also clouds the judgement of hella motherf***ers. All I know: the dude is a no-hitter waiting to happen. And you can't knock a guy for being fiery. Edited June 23, 2006 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm absolutely shocked he hasn't finished off one of his numerous 7 inning no hitters yet. The guy is going to catch a break some time this year and close one out. If he didn't act like some crazy ass crackhead he'd get a s***load more praise from people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 Zambrano is the only player on the Cubs worth keeping and he's def up there. One name I'm surprised nobody has mentioned is Jon Papelbon. He's been lights out this year in the close role, and now the Red Sox have a major decision on their hands regarding his eventual long term role. I have to believe they will use sabermetrics to determine he's much more valuable as a starter. If I recall correctly, I don't think he was that hyped of a prospect, although certainly he was good, I don't think anyone expected him to be this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I never realized how many studly young pitchers there were in the MLB right now. There are a ton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm absolutely shocked he hasn't finished off one of his numerous 7 inning no hitters yet. The guy is going to catch a break some time this year and close one out. If he didn't act like some crazy ass crackhead he'd get a s***load more praise from people. Yep. I remember looking up his stats this past offseason and doing a doubletake. I looked them up to compare him to Buehrle, and I have to say--from the stats--Zambrano is the better pitcher. Could just be the weak ass NL though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Blogan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 04:24 AM) Zambrano is the only player on the Cubs worth keeping and he's def up there. One name I'm surprised nobody has mentioned is Jon Papelbon. He's been lights out this year in the close role, and now the Red Sox have a major decision on their hands regarding his eventual long term role. I have to believe they will use sabermetrics to determine he's much more valuable as a starter. If I recall correctly, I don't think he was that hyped of a prospect, although certainly he was good, I don't think anyone expected him to be this good. Right, I was only thinking in terms of starters. Papelbon is a freakshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Zambrano should of had like 4-5 no-hitters already in his career but I would say 8 out of 10 times his defense has cost him that mark. He is insanely good. Liriano is a hella stud (potential, again that ugly word, is through the roof, moon, sun, etc.) but I agree with HJ, Zambrano has proved it for more than one season, and noone can touch him when he's on. (or semi-on) QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:27 PM) Right, I was only thinking in terms of starters. Ditto. Jenks should also be mentioned then. And I'm not being a homer about this. God I hope Oliver Perez, and Zach Grienke figures their s*** out. Great potential on these two cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Verlander Papelbon Huston Street (can we still consider him on the list?) Peavy Liriano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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