October 22, 200619 yr Beane had to fire Macha just to save his gigantic ego. That's all the move was. There's no way Macha was at fault for the A's losing, they just got beat. Beane had to find someone to blame.
October 22, 200619 yr QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) Beane had to fire Macha just to save his gigantic ego. That's all the move was. There's no way Macha was at fault for the A's losing, they just got beat. Beane had to find someone to blame. Considering how the players came out in force against Macha, just, no. I believe Melhuse's quote was out even before the firing, which tells you something about their feelings on Macha. Success is always mostly about the players, but when the team has given up before the series is over, the decision about the manager should be pretty easy for any gm.
October 22, 200619 yr QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 10:56 AM) Beane had to fire Macha just to save his gigantic ego. That's all the move was. There's no way Macha was at fault for the A's losing, they just got beat. Beane had to find someone to blame. He should blame the owners, I am no Beane fanboy, but he consistently puts playoff teams together with a meh payroll
October 22, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 11:50 AM) He should blame the owners, I am no Beane fanboy, but he consistently puts playoff teams together with a meh payroll Well I'm not going to get into the whole Beane argument again but as far as this stuff goes, from what I've heard/read it definitely seems like Beane calls the shots there no matter what and the manager is just a puppet.
October 22, 200619 yr Beane is a longtime (before Moneyball) notorious douche, but they hated Beane in the clubhouse, which is why he almost got run last year too.
October 22, 200619 yr So, how many GMs that he called "stupid" in Moneyball have WS rings since the book came out?
October 22, 200619 yr QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 02:00 PM) So, how many GMs that he called "stupid" in Moneyball have WS rings since the book came out? I can think of one
October 23, 200619 yr QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 11:50 AM) He should blame the owners, I am no Beane fanboy, but he consistently puts playoff teams together with a meh payroll I agree with you. I think Beane is annoying, but his track record of success with that size market is great. It would be interesting to see how he would handle a large payroll team, it's not as easy as a lot of people think.
October 23, 200619 yr Didn't Frank Thomas say after they were down 3-0 that they were going to try and win it for Macha (that doesn't seem like something you'd say if the vast majority of the players were against Macha). It sounded like Bradley (what a shock) and Melhouse had some problems but that was about it.
October 23, 200619 yr QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) Didn't Frank Thomas say after they were down 3-0 that they were going to try and win it for Macha (that doesn't seem like something you'd say if the vast majority of the players were against Macha). It sounded like Bradley (what a shock) and Melhouse had some problems but that was about it. I don't know the Thomas quote you're referring to, but the rest is flat wrong. In this article, Chavez, Kotsay, Zito, Kendall, and Haren all have uncomplimentary things to say about Macha. That's not even mentioning Melhuse's comments. I know a lot of people here despise Beane, but using this to tee off on him is ridiculous.
October 23, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) I don't know the Thomas quote you're referring to, but the rest is flat wrong. In this article, Chavez, Kotsay, Zito, Kendall, and Haren all have uncomplimentary things to say about Macha. That's not even mentioning Melhuse's comments. I know a lot of people here despise Beane, but using this to tee off on him is ridiculous. No one should use this directly. But like I said before I think a lot of us have known for a while that Beane pretty much calls the shots or at least wants to and it's not the easiest place to manage.
October 24, 200619 yr QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 08:21 AM) Maybe Billy should just name himself manager. He'll eventually just hire one of these math majors out of an Ivy league school to do it. Put a big ass set of computers in the dugout and all that.
October 24, 200619 yr Why is it that everytime I see the name "Macha" I think of Fozzy Bear??? "Macha, Macha, Macha"
October 27, 200619 yr offense doesn't win in the playoffs and apparently niether do his pitchers so even with a top 10 payroll beane would still lose in the playoffs. imo.
October 29, 200619 yr QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know the Thomas quote you're referring to, but the rest is flat wrong. In this article, Chavez, Kotsay, Zito, Kendall, and Haren all have uncomplimentary things to say about Macha. That's not even mentioning Melhuse's comments. I know a lot of people here despise Beane, but using this to tee off on him is ridiculous. Nice quote from that article: "I felt like he didn't protect me,'' Zito said. "I know a lot of managers do -- (White Sox first baseman) Paul Konerko told me that Ozzie Guillen would take a bullet for his players. I was upset but Macha was fighting his own battle and he probably couldn't process that kind of pressure, so, OK, I'll wear it.'' Maybe Zito can be coming over here because of Ozzie. Maybe we will be getting free agents because of Ozzie and not losing them because of Ozzie like some have suggested.
October 30, 200619 yr QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 07:37 AM) He'll eventually just hire one of these math majors out of an Ivy league school to do it. Put a big ass set of computers in the dugout and all that. "It's telling me to warm up Duchscherer"
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