Your ACLU at work again.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4539917?source=rss

 

President Clinton signs a law requiring some form of proof of age like a credit card number or such to access online porn or other offensive material. Your ACLU, that great protector of our rights is now suing to stop it.

 

Shocking.

[NorthSideSox72]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4539917?source=rss

 

President Clinton signs a law requiring some form of proof of age like a credit card number or such to access online porn or other offensive material. Your ACLU, that great protector of our rights is now suing to stop it.

 

Shocking.

And if you read the article, their contention as zero to do with porn. It has to do with the wording and how it might effect non-porn stuff.

 

What amazes me about this is, there is a really, really easy fix... ".prn". Simply require all adult sexual material to have that suffix, and its an easy thing to filter out. Standards? Use the same as network TV and media. I'm sure there would be grey areas, but those could be addressed over time.

[Rex Kickass]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4539917?source=rss

 

President Clinton signs a law requiring some form of proof of age like a credit card number or such to access online porn or other offensive material. Your ACLU, that great protector of our rights is now suing to stop it.

 

Shocking.

 

I thought you were all about parental responsibility? I don't understand why you'd have a problem with requiring parents the responsibility that their children aren't exposed to this kind of material.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I for one support our government overlords ruling down from on high about the things we peons can and cannot view. Who needs parents to actually supervise their children and have effective communicative relationships? Bah to that! More government from the party of less government I say, more!

 

"Harmful to children", "community standards"? You don't allow that sort of loose language in a f***ing gym membership contract for f***'s sake. Talk about vague. "Oh I'm sorry, you had an independent thought that was not in line with the current government in power and that could be harmful if children see it and learn to think for themselves. So here's your 6 month jail sentence and your $50,000 fine."

 

But please, let's just put a few anti-ACLU buzz words in there and I'm sure that'll appease the people who kneejerk don't like the ACLU Cuz who needs little things like facts and logic when you have BUZZWORDS!

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

I for one support our government overlords ruling down from on high about the things we peons can and cannot view. Who needs parents to actually supervise their children and have effective communicative relationships? Bah to that! More government from the party of less government I say, more!

 

"Harmful to children", "community standards"? You don't allow that sort of loose language in a f***ing gym membership contract for f***'s sake. Talk about vague. "Oh I'm sorry, you had an independent thought that was not in line with the current government in power and that could be harmful if children see it and learn to think for themselves. So here's your 6 month jail sentence and your $50,000 fine."

 

But please, let's just put a few anti-ACLU buzz words in there and I'm sure that'll appease the people who kneejerk don't like the ACLU Cuz who needs little things like facts and logic when you have BUZZWORDS!

 

 

Who needs little things like helping keep porn away from children when you have the ACLU telling people what's acceptable and what's not. YEAH!!!

 

 

Who needs little things like, oh I dont know, sanity and common sense when you have LCR and his precious ACLU telling us what's good for us and what's not. YEAH!!!

[Rex Kickass]

It just seems like more nanny state. I wish parents would be more responsible.

[Steff]

It just seems like more nanny state. I wish parents would be more responsible.

 

 

I agree with that 150000000%. But sadly we hear every single day about how parents can't be at their kids sides watching their every move 100% of the time.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Who needs little things like, oh I dont know, sanity and common sense when you have LCR and his precious ACLU telling us what's good for us and what's not. YEAH!!!

 

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

 

You also didn't address how poorly written this law is or the fact that it hasn't been enforced even once in 8 years.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

 

You also didn't address how poorly written this law is or the fact that it hasn't been enforced even once in 8 years.

SHHHH!

 

TEH ACLU = TEH SATANS!!!!!11!1!

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

SHHHH!

 

TEH ACLU = TEH SATANS!!!!!11!1!

 

 

Can't refute the message? Just make fun of the messenger.

 

Brilliant.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Can't refute the message? Just make fun of the messenger.

 

Brilliant.

Actually, I was just QFT what Crimson said.

 

Again:

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

 

You also didn't address how poorly written this law is or the fact that it hasn't been enforced even once in 8 years.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Actually, I was just QFT what Crimson said.

 

Again:

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

 

You also didn't address how poorly written this law is or the fact that it hasn't been enforced even once in 8 years.

 

I don't see how it's not being enforced when pretty much any porn site out there requires a credit card number for site access. If this law is made invalid then that would go away. By "enforced" do you mean nobody has been prosecuted under it?

 

This is a classic case of the ACLU siding with the wrong people to thwart common sense and decency.

Edited October 25, 2006 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I don't see how it's not being enforced when pretty much any porn site out there requires a credit card number for site access. If this law is made invalid then that would go away. By "enforced" do you mean nobody has been prosecuted under it?

 

This is a classic case of the ACLU siding with the wrong people to thwart common sense and decency.

The government never has enforced it..

 

And nice work side stepping the other question, Nuke.

 

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

How is the ACLU telling you what's good for you or not? They're stepping in to prevent the government from doing so.

 

They're doing it by deciding for themselves that we dont need certain laws and taking upon themselves to try to get them eliminated in spite of the fact that it was passed by a vote of 98-1 in the Senate.,...........

 

http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_4.25.html

 

.........and signed into law by President Clinton.

[CrimsonWeltall]

I don't see how it's not being enforced when pretty much any porn site out there requires a credit card number for site access.

 

They only require a credit card if you want to BUY their porn. There's no shortage of free and easily accessible pornographic material on the internet. Any kid can find porn in two seconds by using Google. So how is this law protecting children?

[southsideirish71]

And if you read the article, their contention as zero to do with porn. It has to do with the wording and how it might effect non-porn stuff.

 

What amazes me about this is, there is a really, really easy fix... ".prn". Simply require all adult sexual material to have that suffix, and its an easy thing to filter out. Standards? Use the same as network TV and media. I'm sure there would be grey areas, but those could be addressed over time.

 

 

So you think that the porn industry that spends money and resources on dropping malware on peoples systems to direct them this way would agree to to be penned in to an area that they could be easily blocked by an extension. Good luck with that one.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

They're doing it by deciding for themselves that we dont need certain laws and taking upon themselves to try to get them eliminated in spite of the fact that it was passed by a vote of 98-1 in the Senate.,...........

 

http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_4.25.html

 

.........and signed into law by President Clinton.

And damn Rosa Parks and MLK Jr. decided for themselves that we didn't need certain laws that forced them to sit in the back of the bus.

 

Larry Flynt decided that we didn't need certain laws that criminalized the sale of his magazine to adults.

 

Here's a newsflash:

 

CONGRESS SOMETIMES PASSES s***TY LAWS THAT END UP BEING OVERTURNED BY THE PEOPLE.

 

It's the Judicial branch's check in action -- INTERPRETING LAWS.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

And damn Rosa Parks and MLK Jr. decided for themselves that we didn't need certain laws that forced them to sit in the back of the bus.

 

Larry Flynt decided that we didn't need certain laws that criminalized the sale of his magazine to adults.

 

Here's a newsflash:

 

CONGRESS SOMETIMES PASSES s***TY LAWS THAT END UP BEING OVERTURNED BY THE PEOPLE.

 

It's the Judicial branch's check in action -- INTERPRETING LAWS.

 

 

LOL!!!! So in your warped view of the world laws designed to keep porn away from children are "s***ty" and comprable to jim crow laws of early in the last century? I expect nothing less from the likes of you.

 

 

/rolly

[Rex Kickass]

So Nanny State! Next thing is you'll be wanting to ban transfats too.... *insert joke about porn, lube and slippery slopes here.*

[NorthSideSox72]

So you think that the porn industry that spends money and resources on dropping malware on peoples systems to direct them this way would agree to to be penned in to an area that they could be easily blocked by an extension. Good luck with that one.

I think its irrelevant if they agree or not. They can agree and flourish (people will still go to their sites a LOT), or not agree and not exist. Their choice.

[StrangeSox]

I don't see how it's not being enforced when pretty much any porn site out there requires a credit card number for site access. If this law is made invalid then that would go away. By "enforced" do you mean nobody has been prosecuted under it?

 

 

That's just completely wrong. There are tons and tons of free sites out there that require nothing to see all sorts of porn, from playboy-type stuff to stuff that would make most of us hear sick to our stomachs.

 

Hell, there's even a site out there called "myfreepaysite" that requires nothing but an email address.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

So Nanny State! Next thing is you'll be wanting to ban transfats too.... *insert joke about porn, lube and slippery slopes here.*

 

 

New York already wants to do that.

[Rex Kickass]

I'm aware and I find that idea more beneficial than this law.

[southsideirish71]

I think its irrelevant if they agree or not. They can agree and flourish (people will still go to their sites a LOT), or not agree and not exist. Their choice.

 

How about this, how about that the US creates a law to move these servers to X domain tag. Then the porn operators give a one finger salute, and then migrate their website to Y country that doesnt care about our morality laws or doesnt have treaties that support the enforcement of our laws. How do you think that bittorrent trackers who get constantly sued over and over and threatened by the digital millenium act still are up and running. The piratebay operates in Sweden where this is not against the law. The operators of the site openly mock the legal shots to take down tracker content on their website. So again how is this going to work with porn sites.

 

Remember the internet is a peer based network that doesnt have signal entity controls outside of ICANN. And trust me they dont want to start enforcing US based laws at the root of the internet or the internet will fracture and each country will start their own domain authorities and you can pretty much kiss it into mess mode. The chinese are trying to create their own domain roots based on chinese characters.

[NorthSideSox72]

How about this, how about that the US creates a law to move these servers to X domain tag. Then the porn operators give a one finger salute, and then migrate their website to Y country that doesnt care about our morality laws or doesnt have treaties that support the enforcement of our laws. How do you think that bittorrent trackers who get constantly sued over and over and threatened by the digital millenium act still are up and running. The piratebay operates in Sweden where this is not against the law. The operators of the site openly mock the legal shots to take down tracker content on their website. So again how is this going to work with porn sites.

 

Remember the internet is a peer based network that doesnt have signal entity controls outside of ICANN. And trust me they dont want to start enforcing US based laws at the root of the internet or the internet will fracture and each country will start their own domain authorities and you can pretty much kiss it into mess mode. The chinese are trying to create their own domain roots based on chinese characters.

Even if they move it overseas, then the are .ie or .kor or whatever, still a lot easier to filter than the current situation.

 

There is obviously no perfect solution. But there are some (relatively) easy ones out there that would make a world of difference, that people don't seem interested in.

 

EDIT:

Another thing that is key here is trying to incentivize it for these sites. They don't want all the trouble with kids anyway - they just want to make money, which they will do with adults. Having a single domain suffix makes it easier to draw their crowd, and easier to keep kids out, both of which they ultimately want.

Edited October 25, 2006 by NorthSideSox72