January 21, 200719 yr That's pretty good considering what a lot of these other guys are getting. A 2B with his abilities at the plate would probably get a lot more in free agency.
January 21, 200719 yr QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 21, 2007 -> 01:15 PM) Anyone think the price on Iguchi just went up? Sort of, but not that much. Utley is a lot better than Iguchi and a lot younger. No way Iguchi gets that many years, and I doubt he'll get that much money.
January 21, 200719 yr QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jan 21, 2007 -> 11:19 AM) Sort of, but not that much. Utley is a lot better than Iguchi and a lot younger. No way Iguchi gets that many years, and I doubt he'll get that much money. Granted on both points, but before this, 2nd base was one of the few positions where we hadn't yet seen someone get a really big contract.
January 21, 200719 yr QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 21, 2007 -> 02:31 PM) Granted on both points, but before this, 2nd base was one of the few positions where we hadn't yet seen someone get a really big contract. Ahem... Soriano?
January 22, 200719 yr Money being throw around like its fake at this point. Hes making about as much as konerko, pretty good deal for the Phills considering the market, but wow they backloaded this puppy.
January 22, 200719 yr "Backloaded" because he's not a free agent for another 3 years. The first 3 years represent approximations of what he'd get in arbitration. Then the free-agent dollars kick in. Damn good deal for the Phillies. He's head-and-shoulders above any other second baseman. Maybe Cano is closest, but he hasn't shown either the power or the speed that Utley has. Somebody please put up a Soriano-vs.-Utley-ometer somewhere to track who performs better over the course of their 7 year contracts.
January 22, 200719 yr QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jan 22, 2007 -> 12:41 PM) "Backloaded" because he's not a free agent for another 3 years. The first 3 years represent approximations of what he'd get in arbitration. Then the free-agent dollars kick in. Damn good deal for the Phillies. He's head-and-shoulders above any other second baseman. Maybe Cano is closest, but he hasn't shown either the power or the speed that Utley has. Somebody please put up a Soriano-vs.-Utley-ometer somewhere to track who performs better over the course of their 7 year contracts. This is also dependent on whether Dan Uggla is for real or not. If Dan improves upon his numbers from last year and continues to become an even better player in the coming seasons then he could be right up there with Utley probably not as good but a level right below Chase seems reasonable.
January 22, 200719 yr i agree, i think uggla is a step below utley(for now), but who knows he could improve upon his year last year and enter that elite lvl for 2B.
January 22, 200719 yr Author QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jan 22, 2007 -> 01:19 PM) This is also dependent on whether Dan Uggla is for real or not. If Dan improves upon his numbers from last year and continues to become an even better player in the coming seasons then he could be right up there with Utley probably not as good but a level right below Chase seems reasonable. Your sig is awesome... I've only seen one guy, Wojo at espn.com, own up and eat crow on it... I wonder if anyone else will. I by no means thought Bears would blow-out the Saints, but the saints were only about a month out of looking like complete dogs against the Skins @ home... I thought it was a pick 'em game going in. thread hijack over.
January 23, 200719 yr I need to see Uggla for another before I put him in the upper echelon. There's something about him - and I'm not exactly sure what...perhaps the .340 OBP or a mediocre 5.35 AB/K...that I don't trust yet. I also think he's a very good candiate to regress this year.
January 23, 200719 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2007 -> 07:33 PM) I need to see Uggla for another before I put him in the upper echelon. There's something about him - and I'm not exactly sure what...perhaps the .340 OBP or a mediocre 5.35 AB/K...that I don't trust yet. I also think he's a very good candiate to regress this year. That's why I said we have to wait and see with him. He was also a 26 year old rookie which is pretty discouraging, if he comes out and has a major sophomore slump (which there's around a 50/50 chance of happening) then we're down to what? 5 or 6 good 2B in the entire league?
January 23, 200719 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jan 22, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) I need to see Uggla for another before I put him in the upper echelon. There's something about him - and I'm not exactly sure what...perhaps the .340 OBP or a mediocre 5.35 AB/K...that I don't trust yet. I also think he's a very good candiate to regress this year. He's more than a good candidate to, I'd fully expect it.
January 23, 200719 yr Author QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 23, 2007 -> 11:18 AM) He's more than a good candidate to, I'd fully expect it. where did he bat in the order? If it was #2 in front of Cabrera, that probably helped him see quality pitches.
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