While asked on Sportscenter what MLB Managers are on the Hot Seat, Phillips stated Ozzie Guillen is due to the disappointing season they had in 2006. Said if he doesn't get the team to perform this year he could be out.

 

Now im not to fond of Steve as it is and I definitly was disappointed with the results of last year, but the fact remains the Sox did win 90 games. While Ozzie had his bad moves that might have cost them some games, im not ready to say if we don't make the playoffs this year that Ozzie should be gone, nor should he have to worry about being gone.

 

The Ozzie debate is an endless one here on Soxtalk, but I pose the question, if not Ozzie, who at this point would be better?

 

All I have to do is pull out my 2005 White Sox DVD and listen to all the players praise Ozzie to be assured that I want him running that dugout.

 

Thoughts?

 

I'd probably take Sandy Alomar Jr. over Ozzie, but that's more of a 'by default' type of situation.

I'm not the biggest fan but I think he could win around 70 games and he would be fine for the following year. If anything, I'd say it would have to be from doing something really really stupid, possibly worse than just comments.

Keeping away from Oz specifics but just about firing a guy a couple seasons after he's been the manager for a championship team.

 

You might want to pull out the '85 Bears video and wonder how Dikta became stupid., Or grab some old Redskins tapes and then look at Gibbs. You have 25 players and one manager. How many of those players are still here? The question then becomes, is Ozzie the right guy to manager *this* group of players? Notice that not many guys win championships with multiple teams.

I'd probably take Sandy Alomar Jr. over Ozzie, but that's more of a 'by default' type of situation.

 

He'll probably play for another 15 years, but I hope he considers coming back to the Southside to coach here in some capacity when he hangs it up.

Basically they were trying to stir things up. There was really no validity to what was said, plus phillips is a moron.

I definately don't agree with what Phillips said. Yes, it's disappointing to not make the playoffs or win the divisoin, but we won 90 games last year in the toughest division in baseball.

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I'd probably take Sandy Alomar Jr. over Ozzie, but that's more of a 'by default' type of situation.

 

OMG!

 

 

 

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Basically they were trying to stir things up. There was really no validity to what was said, plus phillips is a moron.

 

I totally agree with this. Why do people think Steve Phillips is some kind of expert? He was a disaster as a GM. I have no idea why anyone would value his opinion on any type of talent or managerial type things. He was awful at what he did. He is a FORMER GM for a reason and has not been offered or even thought of as a GM for a reason since he was fired by the Mets. He absolutely destroyed a team that went to the World Series and he had one of the highest payrolls to work with. That team has gotten better every single year since he was fired. And this jamoke has credibility why? how?

Was Francona another then since the Red Sox missed the playoffs?

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Was Francona another then since the Red Sox missed the playoffs?

 

How about Mike Scioscia? He was never a candidate to be fired even though he took a team taht won 99 games to become World Champs in 2002 and then didn't make the playoffs the following year and finished with 3rd in the AL West (YIKES!) with a record of 77-85 in 2003. That seems a lot worse to me than missing the playoffs with a 90-72 record a year after being World Champions. Yet, he is the great Mike Scioscia!

Steve Phillips should stick to doing mock press conferences as a mock GM for teams on ESPN. Then at least we can get a glimpse of the man who made some of the most embarrassing trades in the MLB.

The Red Sox had a ton more injuries to deal with than the White Sox last year, so they are not really that comparable. Many people think that without the injury problems they could've easily made the playoffs.

 

Also, Phillips is pissed because he ragged on the White Sox all 2005 and they proved him wrong, then he tried backing them till he turned blue in the face in 2006, and he was wrong again. Every time he was on with some prediction, he always would preface it with "well, I'm not gonna get burned by the White Sox again, so..."

 

Dude is a huge moron, I will agree with that

Basically they were trying to stir things up. There was really no validity to what was said, plus phillips is a moron.

Exactly, he knows it's early ST, Sox aren't dealing with a ton of issues, so some beat reporter is going to get bored and ask a question based on this, and ESPN is hoping Ozzie pops off about it.

"Managers on the Hot Seat" hosted by General Managers without a seat.

I've been one of his biggest critics from time to time but I really don't think he's on the hot seat. Ozzie will never get fired, but I do think when his career ends he'll likely resign.

"Managers on the Hot Seat" hosted by General Managers without a seat.

He was probably thinking of his own career where failing to go to the playoffs after they went to the World series got him fired. Of course it could be the fact that his team went from first to worst, and he acquired greats like mo Vaughn, and traded away horrible prospects like Jason Bay and Melvin Mora.

 

I think hes trying to parallel our 90 win performance after winning the world series with his 82 win performance after appearing in theirs.

He was probably thinking of his own career where failing to go to the playoffs after they went to the World series got him fired. Of course it could be the fact that his team went from first to worst, and he acquired greats like mo Vaughn, and traded away horrible prospects like Jason Bay and Melvin Mora.

 

I think hes trying to parallel our 90 win performance after winning the world series with his 82 win performance after appearing in theirs.

I didn't realize the Mets originally had Bay. Who did they get from the Padres in the Bay deal? I know Bay eventually went to the Pirates for Giles.

I didn't realize the Mets originally had Bay. Who did they get from the Padres in the Bay deal? I know Bay eventually went to the Pirates for Giles.

Bay was drafted by the Montreal Expos in the 22nd round of the 2000 draft from Gonzaga University. He was later dealt to the New York Mets on March 24, 2002 for Lou Collier. The Mets dealt him to the San Diego Padres for Steve Reed at the 2002 trading deadline, and he later debuted with the Padres on May 23, 2003. Two days later he suffered a broken right wrist after a hit by pitch. Once healed, he was traded to the Pirates, along with Oliver Perez and player to be named later Corey Stewart in August in exchange for Brian Giles. He finished the season with a .287 batting average, four home runs, and 14 runs batted in in 30 games.

I'm up in the air about Ozzie sometimes after last year but let's be realistic. In three years:

 

1st year: second place finish

2nd year: World Series Champions after 88 years

3rd year: won 90 games, but only good for third

 

Now, I hear the Ozzie criticism from last year and can't disagree with a lot more knowledgeable people here about how he's mismanaged games.

 

But I'm not exactly hearin the footsteps here, if you get what I'm sayin...

Wow...the Expos deal was terrible and the Mets trade was horrible. Thanks for that info Rock.

to me, it doesnt make sense. phillips said if ozzie doesnt get the sox to perform, then he will be gone. hes not sayng he will be gone because of his big mouth. if jerry manuel could manage here 7-8 yrs and not win anything then im sure ozzie will stick around a bit, considering he has won a world series.

The only thing that's going to get Ozzie fired before the end of the 08 season is Ozzie's mouth. If we keep getting worse, the locker room falls apart, and the young guys KW trades for don't work with Ozzie, then I could see Ozzie departing then. Certainly not before that.

That sounds about right.

The only thing that's going to get Ozzie fired before the end of the 08 season is Ozzie's mouth. If we keep getting worse, the locker room falls apart, and the young guys KW trades for don't work with Ozzie, then I could see Ozzie departing then. Certainly not before that.

 

+1

 

Ozzie wasn't responsible for his team's erratic-to-poor starting pitching last season. His mouth and inability to get along with young players are a far greater concern.

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Ozzie wasn't responsible for his team's erratic-to-poor starting pitching last season. His mouth and inability to get along with young players are a far greater concern.

 

I'm not so sure about his inability to get along with young players. It's that fact that he wants them to work hard and listen to the coaches. To me, players like Danks are going to be fine with Ozzie because, just according to what I've seen him say, he just wants to work his butt off to make it to the big leagues, and if not now, he'll go to AAA and do what he needs to do. THAT'S what Ozzie wants.

 

And there is NO WAY Ozzie resigns...unless he's forced to. He's not the quitting type.