MacDougal, Contreras, Blum, Alomars, Everett, Charles Johnson, Schoenweiss, Freddy Garcia

KW makes moves inseason

 

 

true

I want Fuentes bad and it looks like the Rockies want to deal him. His .84 WHIP would look damn good setting up Jenks

 

Why do the Rox want to deal him?

Why do the Rox want to deal him?

 

 

how about manny carpas?

"According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the White Sox may demote struggling relievers Mike MacDougal and David Aardsma to Triple-A.

Meanwhile, the Chicago Tribune suggests that Nick Masset could be headed to the minors as well. The Sun-Times reports that Bret Prinz and Ryan Bukvich would be the leading candidates to replace them in the bullpen. The White Sox are said to be trying to trade MacDougal, who has a 7.13 ERA"

MacDougal, Contreras, Blum, Alomars, Everett, Charles Johnson, Schoenweiss, Freddy Garcia

KW makes moves inseason

 

Charles Johnson was Schueler's deal...during the 2000 season.

 

Some other moves, off the top of my head:

 

Scott Sullivan in 2003

dumping Howry, Baldwin, Durham and Lofton in 2002

Riske

trading Koch to Marlins

Takatsu to Mets (well, it was a waiver move, lol)

Edited June 4, 200718 yr by caulfield12

Bukvich has always had a solid arm.

 

As for Fuentes... havne't we (and many other GMs) learned that dealing for relief pitching is the dumbest thing in the history of the world?

Bukvich has always had a solid arm.

 

As for Fuentes... havne't we (and many other GMs) learned that dealing for relief pitching is the dumbest thing in the history of the world?

MacDougal was good last year... this year... not so much.

great there goes any chance of working today...now i will be on here amongst friend all day waiting

MacDougal was good last year... this year... not so much.

 

Its just a no-brainer... relief pitcher can get hot and look great then you trade for them and they are s***... as all relievers are basically what? Failed starters?

 

If I'm giving up a package of players... its NOT for a reliever.

Charles Johnson was Schueler's deal...during the 2000 season.

 

Some other moves, off the top of my head:

 

Scott Sullivan in 2003

dumping Howry, Baldwin, Durham and Lofton in 2002

Riske

trading Koch to Marlins

Takatsu to Mets (well, it was a waiver move, lol)

 

Ah yes, I forgot it was Schuelers team still. Well, KW was head of player personel back then, so he had a hand in it as well

 

Its just a no-brainer... relief pitcher can get hot and look great then you trade for them and they are s***... as all relievers are basically what? Failed starters?

 

If I'm giving up a package of players... its NOT for a reliever.

 

Not true. not true at all.

Hopefully we can package MacDougal with someone for something good. Even though he has been piss poor this season, Mac still has a live arm... the problem is getting his pitches over constantly.

 

The Phillies would probably be a good candidate to try and land him...

 

Its just a no-brainer... relief pitcher can get hot and look great then you trade for them and they are s***... as all relievers are basically what? Failed starters?

If I'm giving up a package of players... its NOT for a reliever.

Mostly. Just look at our pen. Jenks, Thornton, MacDougal, Aardsma, and Massett all started at some point in their professional careers.

 

However, a lot of the top relievers are usually people who specialized in relief pitching. Like Houston Street or now Joe Smith.

Hopefully we can package MacDougal with someone for something good. Even though he has been piss poor this season, Mac still has a live arm... the problem is getting his pitches over constantly.

 

The Phillies would probably be a good candidate to try and land him...

Mostly. Just look at our pen. Jenks, Thornton, MacDougal, Aardsma, and Massett all started at some point in their professional careers.

 

However, a lot of the top relievers are usually people who specialized in relief pitching. Like Houston Street or now Joe Smith.

 

 

 

what is royce ring up to?

what is royce ring up to?

 

Pads?

Pads?

knee pads

knee pads

 

hey, either way, he makes money.

All I can say is I am glad that we Soxtalk posters aren't the GM. There will be changes starting tday and they are needed in the relief corp, but then all of sudden half our team is gone to second division also rans for players with their own problems.

 

I have listened to some interest in Chicago Sun-Times reports of Dye for Abreu and then McDougal or Logan or Thornton (plus a minor league player) for Rowand. You trade from your supposed strengths to fill perceived needs. But, who wants McDougal with an era over 7? Plus if e is hurt maybe time in the minors or on the DL might be better and we keep talent.

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All I can say is I am glad that we Soxtalk posters aren't the GM. There will be changes starting tday and they are needed in the relief corp, but then all of sudden half our team is gone to second division also rans for players with their own problems.

 

I have listened to some interest in Chicago Sun-Times reports of Dye for Abreu and then McDougal or Logan or Thornton (plus a minor league player) for Rowand. You trade from your supposed strengths to fill perceived needs. But, who wants McDougal with an era over 7? Plus if e is hurt maybe time in the minors or on the DL might be better and we keep talent.

 

MacDougal had the groin tweak and that may be part of this, but my sense is the issue is deeper. They may be frustrated with him because they have been on him to trust his stuff more and it appears he does not heed the advice of the coaches. His ball moves a ton. However he nibbles all the time. Not good. That leads to walks and its the walks that frustrate the youknowwhat out of Guillen and Cooper. The Toronto debacle was the last straw and of course Mac is a vet and is not thrilled about going to AAA, so I tend to believe that they are seeing what they can get for him. I would bet the Brewers would be interested.

FROM WWW.Chisox.Com

 

 

 

CHICAGO -- Following yesterday's game at Toronto, the Chicago White Sox optioned right-handed pitcher David Aardsma to Class AAA Charlotte. Prior to tonight's game vs. the New York Yankees, the White Sox optioned pitcher Mike MacDougal to Charlotte, purchased the contracts pitchers Ryan Bukvich and Bret Prinz from Charlotte and transferred infielder/outfielder Pablo Ozuna from the 15-day to the 60-day disabled list.

Aardsma, 25, has gone 2-1 with a 6.18 ERA (19 ER/27.2 IP) and 32 strikeouts in 22 relief appearances this season, his first with the White Sox. After going 2-0 with a 1.72 ERA (3 ER/15.2 IP) and 23 strikeouts in April, he went 0-1 with a 12.00 ERA (16 ER/12.0 IP) and nine strikeouts in 11 games combined in May and June.

 

MacDougal, 30, is 1-3 with a 7.13 ERA (14 ER/17.2 IP) and 18 walks in 27 relief appearances this season. He allowed 22 hits and 17 walks with 11 holds. MacDougal compiled a 2.89 ERA (3 ER/9.1 IP) in April but gave up 11 earned runs over 8.1 IP in May and June (11.89 ERA).

 

Bukvich, 29, was 1-3 with nine saves, a 2.89 ERA (9 ER/28.0 IP), and 32 strikeouts in 23 appearances with Charlotte. A native of Naperville, Ill., the 6-foot-2, 250 pound Bukvich has pitched in 48 major-league games with Kansas City (2002-04) and Texas (2005), going 2-0 with a 6.94 ERA (36 ER/46.2 IP) and 39 strikeouts.

 

Prinz, who turns 30 on June 15, went 0-1 with a 0.56 ERA (1 ER/16.0 IP) and 16 strikeouts in 15 outings with the Knights. The 6-foot-3, 210-pound native of Chicago Heights, Ill. limited opponents to a .179 (10-56) average.

 

Prinz has appeared in 98 major-league games over five seasons with Arizona (2001-03), the Yankees (2003-04) and Dodgers (2005), going 5-4 with nine saves and a 4.77 ERA (47 ER/88.2 IP). His best season came as a rookie in 2001 when he was 4-1 with a 2.63 ERA (12 ER/41.0 IP) and ranked second on the team with nine saves as the Diamondbacks won the World Series.

 

Ozuna was placed on the disabled list on May 28 with a fractured right fibula and torn deltoid ligament. With the moves, the White Sox 40-man roster is at 40.

Does it worry anybody else that Bukvich is also a former Royal pitcher?

prinz and bukovich have been brought up

Does it worry anybody else that Bukvich is also a former Royal pitcher?

 

Edited June 4, 200718 yr by Wedge

Bukvich has always had a solid arm.

 

As for Fuentes... havne't we (and many other GMs) learned that dealing for relief pitching is the dumbest thing in the history of the world?

 

I dunno dealing for relief pitches that dont really have live arms that play in the NL and then come to the AL yeah they get lit up. The Francisco Cordero trade looks pretty good for the brewers, bob wickman for the braves. I agree though the best way to get a lights out closer is to make one, like the red sox did with papelbon. I think a great closer/set up guy would be Rafael Soriano of the braves.

 

LMFAO

 

That's classic.

the best way to get a lights out closer is to make one,

 

 

eye of gossage and toe of sutter?

hahaha brilliant. god thats so freaking bad.