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Wis. Law Enforcement Association 'Regrets' Endorsing Walker'

The executive board president of the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Association has issued a statement on the organization's website expressing regret for the endorsement of Gov. Scott Walker in the governor's race.

 

In a post dated Feb. 16, Tracy Fuller writes, "I am going to make an effort to speak for myself, and every member of the Wisconsin State Patrol when I say this … I specifically regret the endorsement of the Wisconsin Trooper's Association for Gov. Scott Walker. I regret the governor's decision to 'endorse' the troopers and inspectors of the Wisconsin State Patrol. I regret being the recipient of any of the perceived benefits provided by the governor's anointing. I think everyone's job and career is just as significant as the others. Everyone's family is just as valuable as mine or any other persons, especially mine. Everyone's needs are just as valuable. We are all great people!!" The full statement can be found at www.wlea.org.

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Wis. Law Enforcement Association 'Regrets' Endorsing Walker'

Tracy Fuller, the head of the Wisconsin Law Enforcement Association, has pulled down the statement that he posted online, in which he regretted the endorsement that the Wisconsin Troopers Association -- of which he is a member, but is not officially qualified to speak on its behalf -- had given to Gov. Scott Walker ®.

 

"I am in no position to speak for the Troopers Association on any issue, other than just being -- I am a member, that's the truth. Because the reason that I am a member, and I'll give you this piece of information, the Troopers' Association does a lot of beneficial things in this state."

 

The local CBS affiliatein Madison, Channel 3000, had reported Fuller's statement constituted a repudiation of the endorsement by the organization itself; and we here at TPM picked up on the story. In fact, the two organizations, the WLEA and Troopers Association, are different groups with overlapping memberships -- the WLEA also includes state Capitol Police, University of Wisconsin police, Department of Transportation field agents, and dispatchers for the State Patrol and Capitol Police.

 

The snafu and Fuller's quick decision to pull down the statement is a further sign of the tensions in organized labor in Wisconsin and the rapid pace of events in the unfolding crisis. Divisions within Fuller's union are due to Walker having exempted the State Patrol but not other WLEA members from his budget proposal to remove most collective bargaining rights and place other heavy restrictions on public employee unions.

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Different topic but with personal interest...does anyone remember if there were any impacts on air travel when the 1995 government shutdown happened?

 

It was before the era of the nationalized TSA screenings so it's not comparable directly, I just can't remember whether the air service at the time wound up disrupted.

 

(I'm flying to a conference 2 days after the shutdown deadline, so if there's no budget deal or continuing resolution, I'm a little concerned about my flight(s).)

Im sure there are some unions who only care about the money, but it would be a historical fallacy to imply that unions have not improved workers conditions. While unions may become vestigial people should have the right to collectively bargain if they want.

 

The Governor of Wisconsin wont even negotiate on union rights if the opponents are willing to concede to the monetary part.

Another part of the Wisconsinan budget allows the Governor to sell off state-owned power generation equipment to private energy companies without having to solicit bids for the facilities.

 

I think most of the Democrats who read this thread would know exactly who that clause is tailored to benefit.

And Bill Maher is drifting rapidly into straight-up anti-muslim bigotry. (Video at link).

“Talk to women who’ve ever dated an Arab man. The results are not good.”

Walker's steadfastly refusing any compromise whatsoever. Even one that gives him pretty much everything he wants but puts a sunset clause on the removal of bargaining rights.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/on...n-unions-vote/1

 

Please, Republicans, tell me how you defend this.

The defense is easy, Wisconsin voters voted in Walker and the legislature. Walker and the legislature have every right to use their numbers however they want.

 

I cant fathom who would listen to Maher, the guy should have hypocrisy tattooed on his forehead.

The defense is easy, Wisconsin voters voted in Walker and the legislature. Walker and the legislature have every right to use their numbers however they want.

 

That's not a defense of his policy.

 

edit: I guess it wasn't clear what "this" referred to

Edited February 21, 201115 yr by StrangeSox

Well I dont agree with his policy, but I definitely agree that he does not have to compromise if he doesnt want to.

 

Elections have consequences.

And Bill Maher is drifting rapidly into straight-up anti-muslim bigotry. (Video at link).

 

Wow, seriously? He makes a spot on, general point about the treatment of women. He never said we're perfect, they're f***ed up. He said as a matter of degree, they're worse. I dunno how you can refute that given some of the laws those countries have.

Wow, seriously? He makes a spot on, general point about the treatment of women. He never said we're perfect, they're f***ed up. He said as a matter of degree, they're worse. I dunno how you can refute that given some of the laws those countries have.

And you chose to join him in straight-up bigotry. Congratulations.

Lol, you're f***ing ridiculous.

Dating any random muslim is an invitation to being treated poorly? No bigotry there whatsoever.

Dating any random muslim is an invitation to being treated poorly? No bigotry there whatsoever.

 

That wasn't his point and you know it.

No one would deny that in many Arab countries women are treated poorly and have very little rights. But Maher is trying to say that every Arab man treats women poorly, which is where it goes from being a general point about treatment, to an attack against Arabs.

 

Talk to women who’ve ever dated an Arab man. The results are not good.

 

How does dating a random Arab guy in America have anything to do with the laws in the Middle East?

That wasn't his point and you know it.

 

He stereotyped all arabs there. It crossed the line from the discussion they were having (treatment of women in general in Muslim cultures, which is pretty abhorrent) to bigoted (all Arab men treat women badly).

This is for BS:

 

Americans could cut beef consumption by 2.5% and produce enough food to end global starvation (yeah it's pretty old but the math still works out AFAIK, and there's been some dietary debates here recently)

 

We don't have a food scarcity problem; we have a resource allocation problem.

Sure, if you ignore the entire context of the argument he's having, which is that until you civilize "man" you're not getting anywhere, and that in those countries where woman are clearly second class citizens there's still a long way to go. Then the moron on the panel tries to says it's apples to apples here in America which is clearly idiotic and not true. So Mahr responded with a poorly worded phrase.

 

But yes, detract attention from the actual point of his argument and focus on how he's an Arab-hating bigot.

Edited February 21, 201115 yr by Jenksismybitch

This is for BS:

 

Americans could cut beef consumption by 2.5% and produce enough food to end global starvation (yeah it's pretty old but the math still works out AFAIK, and there's been some dietary debates here recently)

 

We don't have a food scarcity problem; we have a resource allocation problem.

 

Yeah I've read a few articles similar to that over the past few years.

Smiley didn't equate treatment of women in America to treatment in, say, Iran. He was arguing that while we're better, we've still got a ways to go for true equality.

 

It could be that Maher just got a little hyperbolic and said something stupid that doesn't accurately reflect his beliefs. That wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the last. As it stands, it was a bigoted statement, but I wouldn't say one stupid statement makes Maher a bigoted person.

It could be that Maher just got a little hyperbolic and said something stupid that doesn't accurately reflect his beliefs. That wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the last. As it stands, it was a bigoted statement, but I wouldn't say one stupid statement makes Maher a bigoted person.

 

I'd tend to agree with this assessment. And as I watched the show over the weekend I just cringed as I knew where he was going with his argument but he made an ass out of himself with the words he chose and the examples he used.

Edited February 21, 201115 yr by BigSqwert

Smiley didn't equate treatment of women in America to treatment in, say, Iran. He was arguing that while we're better, we've still got a ways to go for true equality.

 

It could be that Maher just got a little hyperbolic and said something stupid that doesn't accurately reflect his beliefs. That wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the last. As it stands, it was a bigoted statement, but I wouldn't say one stupid statement makes Maher a bigoted person.

 

Yes, he did. He was given about 5 opportunities to say "No I agree with you, they're worse, but...." but he didn't. He specifically said there was no "grey area" on the issue.

Ok, I really have no interest in trying to defend Smiley, who also tends to hyperbolize.

Muslim men are probably in general, worldwide, worse in their treatment of women. But it's because in general, worldwide, they're poorer and less educated. D'uh.

Edited February 22, 201115 yr by KipWellsFan