Should've been three or less, like all bills.

That's absurd!

Should've been three or less, like all bills.

 

I think it should have been 20000.

I think it should have been 20000.

Frankly, that's what rewriting the entire federal budget should take. They just postponed that part until the "Super Congress" does that.

classic liberal handwringing.

Remember when Obama was lambasted for restating the long-standing US position on a two-state solution and bringing up the 1967 borders? Remember when Netanyahu was loudly cheered by the US Congress for attacking the US President over that position?

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is prepared to base talks for a Palestinian state on the 1967 truce lines in what appears to be a major policy retreat, an Israeli television channel has claimed.

Now that we've finally got this debt ceiling done, the Democrats are going to do something about jobs. Their solution? Tax breaks and spending cuts.

--Dems, hoping to actually pass something, plan to emphasize tax cuts, and spending measures that have been embraced by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, giving them cross-party appeal.

Gotta vote Democrats to keep Republicans out! That way at least it's Democrats passing conservative bills!

Gotta vote Democrats to keep Republicans out! That way at least it's Democrats passing conservative bills!

Hell, at this point there's a legit argument that the Congressional Dems were more effective in 2004-2006 at preventing bad policy from happening than they have been in 2011.

Gotta vote Democrats to keep Republicans out! That way at least it's Democrats passing conservative bills!

I look forward to the calls from the DNC when they're looking for donations.

I admire conservatives a lot more. When conservatives got their asses handed to them they started working harder, running primaries against candidates they didn't like and then are putting together a really nice coalition. Liberals work hard for 1 election then just sit and watch, then cry and whine whent he other side didn't roll over and just become apathetic.

I admire conservatives a lot more. When conservatives got their asses handed to them they started working harder, running primaries against candidates they didn't like and then are putting together a really nice coalition. Liberals work hard for 1 election then just sit and watch, then cry and whine whent he other side didn't roll over and just become apathetic.

 

That actually describes the liberal politicians.

Kinda easy to become disaffected when two years of supermajorities and the white house and another 8 months of strong Senate majorities and the white house results in a huge policy shift to the right.

Kinda easy to become disaffected when two years of supermajorities and the white house and another 8 months of strong Senate majorities and the white house results in a huge policy shift to the right.

 

Politics is hard work, you don't win it with one election. Democrats got a lot passed during that time they just didn't get everything passed during that time. They'd have gotten a lot more passed during that time if their base decided to still care about what happened after the 2008 election and didn't mail in their responsibilities while the older conservative base wrote letters and raised hell. But, you all seem to think the past 4 years would have been the same with a republican. I just want you to realize all the social reforms that you forget about when you have the majority will come roaring back. And enjoy getting an even more conservative court. And enjoy archaic reproductive right fights coming back. Enjoy all that, seriously.

The reproductive rights fight has come back and the left is losing. Quite badly.

 

The reproductive rights fight has come back and the left is losing. Quite badly.

 

 

And that's with us controlling the Executive Branch and the Senate.

Enjoy it at the federal level. And as always, don't put any effort into actually running primaries against candidates to get them to move left, just don't vote. Hand elections to the republicans, because then in 8 years when things go to hell, we can get our act together againa nd get a big majority, and then stop caring and become disillusioned when we don't get everything we want in 1 election. And continue to let everything we care about get axed away in huge chunks because we have principles to only get everything we want and nothing less.

Enjoy it at the federal level. And as always, don't put any effort into actually running primaries against candidates to get them to move left, just don't vote. Hand elections to the republicans, because then in 8 years when things go to hell, we can get our act together againa nd get a big majority, and then stop caring and become disillusioned when we don't get everything we want in 1 election. And continue to let everything we care about get axed away in huge chunks because we have principles to only get everything we want and nothing less.

Your guilt tripping won't work on me. I will vote for those that suit my interests. The hell with party affiliations. I'll even use the write-in portion of the ballot if I have to.

Congrats. I'll give you a high five if it isn't federally outlawed for being to homosexual and satanist.

Congrats. I'll give you a high five if it isn't federally outlawed for being to homosexual and satanist.

 

LOL. No need for scare tactics.

 

The Left will use fear mongering to get out the vote just like the Right did before that. They're all the same.

Edited August 2, 201114 yr by BigSqwert

Politics is hard work, you don't win it with one election. Democrats got a lot passed during that time they just didn't get everything passed during that time. They'd have gotten a lot more passed during that time if their base decided to still care about what happened after the 2008 election and didn't mail in their responsibilities while the older conservative base wrote letters and raised hell. But, you all seem to think the past 4 years would have been the same with a republican. I just want you to realize all the social reforms that you forget about when you have the majority will come roaring back. And enjoy getting an even more conservative court. And enjoy archaic reproductive right fights coming back. Enjoy all that, seriously.

 

No, I'm saying it wouldn't have been all that much different because no one in Washington really represents progressives, liberals or leftists. Obama's staff has s*** on his progressive base openly and often. Continuing to vote for people who are either terrible leaders and negotiators or represent a center-right policy perspective at best keeps us moving more and more to the right as a country. We got a band-aid fix for health care with zero fight for a real progressive position and token financial regulation reforms. Woo.

bmags, I used to be the guy saying exactly what you're saying. Now we're at our 2nd budget cut debacle in the past what, 4 months? And whether we like it or not, there'll be another one with another shutdown deadline in September.

 

Yes, the PPACA was good policy, and the Dodd Frank act as written was at least decent policy, and there are other victories (lilly ledbedder, etc.) But how much of that matters if it gets rolled back in the next deal? How much does a health care coverage expansion matter if 12 months later you get rolled to the point that you're taking on significant health care coverage cuts? How much does extending one type of protection gain if simultaneously you're doing things like dramatically slashing student loans?

 

Maybe I'll be back saying what you're saying again once there's a Republican nominee...but this budget debacle really has me down.

we have principles to only get everything we want and nothing less.

 

It worked for the Republicans after winning one house of Congress in one election. Eight months later and we've got serious entitlement cuts on the table and a mandated vote on a balanced budget amendment.

 

I've never advocated not voting, though. I've simply advocated against voting for politicians like Obama.