This got ugly in a hurry.

 

Let's try not to go after other posters' religious beliefs, supposed or know, mmmmmmkay?

 

So we had to torture people to justify a war where we tortured people so we could get somebody else to stop torturing people.

 

No we didnt.

He was a US citizen. He was held in federal custody and was not part of an organized terrorist group whose main goal in life was to wipe out the United States. Not the same thing.

You know for a fact that McVeigh planned to retire if he was never caught? Maybe he had bigger plans for a 2nd incident.

Edited April 22, 200916 yr by BigSqwert

Let's not forget, one of the reasons Bush gave for going to war was that Saddam tortured people.

 

So we had to torture people to justify a war where we tortured people so we could get somebody else to stop torturing people.

Yea, we use chemical weapons on our own people, we behead people, we cut off limbs, we whip and beat the crap out of people, we cut off their nuts and let them bleed a slow death - yea, we do all those things. It's not the same thing. Not even close. I personally don't like the idea of waterboarding people - but I think it's not torture like you have the hard on to make it. You all want something so bad to hang GWB administration people on without even looking at the big picture. "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"... that's right, and the people who put the memos together DID NOT BREAK A LAW. They stated a legal opinion. So, now that's prosecuted in this country? f*** all you people who think that's ok (should it go that far).

 

And furthermore, if it's so nice over there and they treat their people so much better, get out of my country.

Edited April 22, 200916 yr by kapkomet

Yea, we use chemical weapons on our own people, we behead people, we cut off limbs, we whip and beat the crap out of people, we cut off their nuts and let them bleed a slow death - yea, we do all those things. It's not the same thing. Not even close. I personally don't like the idea of waterboarding people - but I think it's not torture like you have the hard on to make it. You all want something so bad to hang GWB administration people on without even looking at the big picture. "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"... that's right, and the people who put the memos together DID NOT BREAK A LAW. They stated a legal opinion. So, now that's prosecuted in this country? f*** all you people who think that's ok (should it go that far).

So what's the purpose of waterboarding if it's not torture?

And furthermore, if it's so nice over there and they treat their people so much better, get out of my country.

I'll make sure to stay off your lawn too.

Let's not forget, one of the reasons Bush gave for going to war was that Saddam tortured people.

 

So we had to torture people to justify a war where we tortured people so we could get somebody else to stop torturing people.

:notworthy

Here's what kinda pisses me off about the whole thing. Cheney keeps saying "but look what info it got us". So, basically, he is saying the ends justify the means, which is NOT what we stand for as a country. We are against torture... no matter what the results. So, for Chaney to say what he is saying, says he doesnt give a rats ass about the constitution, the Geneva conventions, or the rights of humans. As long as we get what we want, the rules be damned.

 

Yeah as long as he saves lives who cares? The 10000 people that work in the library tower in L.A....f*** them. You want to bomb us come on we abide by the Geneva Conventions.

So what's the purpose of waterboarding if it's not torture?

You know what the purpose is. It's to gain information. It's not to get their jollies. Apparently, though, that's what most on the left want to make it.

 

How would you all feel if one day America became a Muslim majority nation and Christians were being detained and tortured because it was feared they might be terrorists?

 

 

Talking bout a revolution.....well you know.....

I'll make sure to stay off your lawn too.

You wouldn't like my lawn. It has too many weeds.

 

You know what the purpose is. It's to gain information. It's not to get their jollies. Apparently, though, that's what most on the left want to make it.

Doesn't seem very effective if you need to do it over 100 times and still get no new info.

Doesn't seem very effective if you need to do it over 100 times and still get no new info.

Really? Release all the memos, in full detail, then we can determine what we got and how. We don't know the whole story - we have just enough to make it a political witch hunt. I thought only Republicans went after people for political purposes?

Doesn't seem very effective if you need to do it over 100 times and still get no new info.

my favorite comment on this... after about the first 81 times, he might start to get the idea you aren't really going to drown him.

Why don't we just hijack a few planes and kill thousands of innocent people, just because? I'm glad you take their side and mentality.

Because we had never killed any innocent middle easterners prior to 9/11.

Then these "enemy combatants" should be tried in an international court, not US.

 

They should have a trial and execution on the place they stand when they are captured.

You know for a fact that McVeigh planned to retire if he was never caught? Maybe he had bigger plans for a 2nd incident.

 

Maybe, but there is nothing to suggest he was part of anything even 1/100th the size of Al-Qaeda or any other terrorist ring out there.

Because we had never killed any innocent middle easterners prior to 9/11.

nope. never. I've never heard of this country called Iraq until 2002 when I was told they caused 9/11.

Because we had never killed any innocent middle easterners prior to 9/11.

Never said we didn't, but I sure don't think we made it our official policy to kill thousands of civilians just for fun, either.

 

Never said we didn't, but I sure don't think we made it our official policy to kill thousands of civilians just for fun, either.

Sure we did. Ask my native american friends about that one.

Hey, wow in an hour we've almost caught up to the liberal newsmaker thread.

 

Never said we didn't, but I sure don't think we made it our official policy to kill thousands of civilians just for fun, either.

But we did make it official policy to support people like Saddam and the Afghan government which lead to the killing of hundreds of thousands. We were for them, before we were against them.

Sure we did. Ask my native american friends about that one.

Damn. You sunuva.

 

I'm talking modern times.

 

Sure we did. Ask my native american friends about that one.

oh good call.

But we did make it official policy to support people like Saddam and the Afghan government which lead to the killing of hundreds of thousands. We were for them, before we were against them.

Are you f***ing serious?