southsider2k5 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I caught an interesting special on this last night. I thought I would share it with anyone else who is fascinated with the pyramids. http://www.pyramidofman.com/blog/how-were-...s-built-part-5/ How Were the Egyptian Pyramids Built? - Part 5 Houdin’s Internal Ramp French Architect Jean-Pierre Houdin has a revolutionary theory on how the pyramids were built. He looked at the three main existing theories: the large long straight ramp used to drag the stone up on sleds or rolled on logs, the wooden ‘machines’ mentioned by Herodotus & the spiral ramp theory. None of these theories convinced Houdin. He felt that the large long ramp would have had to have been either short and therefore too steep or long and therefore would be enormous and require too much material and effort to build. The ‘machines’ referred to by Herodotus used to lift the block from one course to another was deemed unlikely as the counter weight required would be greater than the weight of a few workmen and would not have worked for large blocks. Houdin regards the more popular theory of the spiral ramp as being the more likely of the three but adds that this would have blocked the ability to check the geometry of the pyramid and that this ramp would be fragile and too narrow to be practical. Large Ramp Theory Machine Theory Spiral Ramp Theory Jean-Pierre Houdin has his own insight of a more practical solution to the riddle of how the pyramids were built. He suggests that a ramp was used but that it was an internal ramp and that the Grand Gallery was used to move counter weights to raise the nine granite beams for the King’s chamber ceiling. Houdin worked with Dassault Systèmes to test his hypotheses and to demonstrate the validity of the theory with the aid of their scientific 3D technology. He now plans to prove his claims by scanning the pyramid with radars and heat detecting cameras. “During 2000, we met with members of the team who, in 1986, had worked on the mystery of the Pyramid of Khufu under the aegis of the Foundation EDF. They showed us plans on which we discovered a construction anomaly, a detail in the drawings that none of the hypotheses could account for. This anomaly, baptised “the spiral structureâ€, looked exactly like a ramp built inside the pyramid which could have played a part in its construction!†- Jean-Pierre Houdin. Shots from the 3D Dassault Systèmes presentation Khufu: The Secrets Behind the Building of the Great Pyramid by Jean-Pierre Houdin You can watch another video on the theory at How Stuff Works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 A big-ass interstellar space ship spit the Great Pyramid out, everybody knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) A big-ass interstellar space ship spit the Great Pyramid out, everybody knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) A big-ass interstellar space ship spit the Great Pyramid out, everybody knows that. I thought that the pyramids were built as Xenomorph breeding tanks/battle grounds? whoops, wrong Sci-Fi movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) I saw the show a little over a week ago. Pretty interesting idea. The problem is that the Zahi Hawass is a royal pain in the ass. He's super over protective of the pyramids and wont let you DARE imply the possibility that the pyramids were created by a previous civilization.. because the Egyptian culture is the greatest of all time in his ego drive opinion. One time a group was banned form doing ultrasound (maybe sonar, i forget) tests on a potential cavern / chamber underneath the sphinx.... he stopped them because he "claimed" the sonar would damage items in the room if it existed. So, tests on the pyramid are pretty much never going to happen. Edited November 24, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) I saw the show a little over a week ago. Pretty interesting idea. The problem is that the Zahi Hawass is a royal pain in the ass. He's super over protective of the pyramids and wont let you DARE imply the possibility that the pyramids were created by a previous civilization.. because the Egyptian culture is the greatest of all time in his ego drive opinion. One time a group was banned form doing ultrasound (maybe sonar, i forget) tests on a potential cavern / chamber underneath the sphinx.... he stopped them because he "claimed" the sonar would damage items in the room if it existed. So, tests on the pyramid are pretty much never going to happen. He has also made impossible to study many of the artifacts that are just rotting in the Cairo museum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 03:17 PM) He has also made impossible to study many of the artifacts that are just rotting in the Cairo museum. That too. Hawass likes to be the "great protector of the greatness of Egypt", and he has been. He wont let actual scientific research to be done and is counter-productive to the advancement of knowledge on ancient Egypt. Can you tell I hate Hawass's guts? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 The last time I really studied anything about it the spiral ramp theory seemed to make the most sense. Or as it should be known, tens of thousands of slaves using a spiral ramp theory. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) A big-ass interstellar space ship spit the Great Pyramid out, everybody knows that. Hmm.. And since Jim was actually there, I think we have to trust him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 07:07 AM) Hmm.. And since Jim was actually there, I think we have to trust him. Ziiiinnng! I never get tired of Jim is old jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 07:10 AM) Ziiiinnng! I never get tired of Jim is old jokes. His grass... In Eygpt : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 08:19 AM) His grass... In Eygpt : We call it papyrus. And stay the hell off it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 10:10 AM) We call it papyrus. And stay the hell off it!! How did you smoke papyrus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 11:13 AM) How did you smoke papyrus? With rolling papyrus, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) With rolling papyrus, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) "Gimme those Dead Sea Scrolls!" "What is that" *lick lick lick lick* "ROMAN RED!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) THere really needs to be a Part 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 24, 2008 -> 10:38 PM) The last time I really studied anything about it the spiral ramp theory seemed to make the most sense. Or as it should be known, tens of thousands of slaves using a spiral ramp theory. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Actually haven't recent finds determined that the people that built the pyramids were actually paid laborers? I'm pretty sure I remember watching a show where they found a small city nearby one of the work sites that kinda showed they were paid - they had taverns, doctors offices, bakeries, etc. - enough commercial activity to assume they had some money to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 25, 2008 -> 05:27 PM) Actually haven't recent finds determined that the people that built the pyramids were actually paid laborers? I'm pretty sure I remember watching a show where they found a small city nearby one of the work sites that kinda showed they were paid - they had taverns, doctors offices, bakeries, etc. - enough commercial activity to assume they had some money to spend. You are correct. They were not slaves. Well, some might have been, but generally not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Interesting, the last thing I remember seeing was that about 15% of the workers, and their were tens of thousands, were paid and the rest were indentured or slaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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