I just saw on Sportsday that Jon Garland turned down the Angels arb. offer and that today he declined the $4m deal by Arizona. Does this mean he really does want to come back to Chicago or is he living in a fantasy world about an A.J. Burnett offer? I know his stats are better but there has to be something we are all missing, and I would love him back in Chicago as a #2 or 3.

So, we should be surprised that he turned down a $4 million deal?

What a load of misinformation.

 

Garland turned down the Angels' offer up arbitration some time ago because he wanted to test the market. I'm betting he wishes he didn't reget that offer because he's not as attractive as AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia or even Derek Lowe.

 

AZ offered him only $4M? Of course he turned it down. But, that is an indication that JG could maybe be had for even less than the $10M being discussed, if that is what the market is really offering.

 

If Oliver Perez is on the verge of $10M/yr, Garland should be right in there too.

I'm betting he wishes he didn't reget that offer because he's not as attractive as AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia or even Derek Lowe.

I think he's much more attractive than any of those 3 guys.

If Garland gets 10 million in this market with the 12 lowest WHIP last year I will change my sig to Garland in a freakin' cub hat. No way. He might regret not taking the 4.

I really thought Jon was the Ex-Sox pitcher who was most likely to come back here, until I read about his disconnect from Ozzie. It kind of makes it doubtful if it is true.

I really thought Jon was the Ex-Sox pitcher who was most likely to come back here, until I read about his disconnect from Ozzie. It kind of makes it doubtful if it is true.

Ozzie has said he'd love to have him back. I think what's keeping him away is what I read earlier this week. He still wants $13 million a year.

I really thought Jon was the Ex-Sox pitcher who was most likely to come back here, until I read about his disconnect from Ozzie. It kind of makes it doubtful if it is true.

 

That's just fine with me. Even in a depressed market, I imagine that he stands to get a minimum of $35-40 million. I'd rather roll the dice on Clayton Richard.

 

If Oliver Perez is on the verge of $10M/yr, Garland should be right in there too.

Why? Oli Perez is good, Garland is terrible and therefore I don't see any reason why the two would be payed equally.

Ozzie has said he'd love to have him back. I think what's keeping him away is what I read earlier this week. He still wants $13 million a year.

 

Maybe it was on Garland's end then. I have no idea, this is the article.

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1192

 

You can pretty much forget about another free agent, Jon Garland, as long as Ozzie’s in the dugout. They never got along before Garland was traded to the Angels last off-season, so that bridge has been torched.

Once Perez re-signs with the Mets for around 11M a season, then I think the market will move on JG.

 

It was long speculated that he'd end up in B-More, and that could still be the case, but they signed Uehara from Japan, and are going to turn Baez into a SP.

 

I think Garland will still end up with 8-9M if he wants it, but he may have to take a short-term Kyle Lohse deal to do so, and I don't know if he's willing to do that.

Maybe it was on Garland's end then. I have no idea, this is the article.

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1192

If that's the case, then Garland could kiss everyone's ass. If it wasn't for Ozzie having immense trust in him, who knows where Garland could be right now. What was always the issue with Jerry Manuel? He pulled the pitchers, especially young ones, too fast, and didn't let them learn from experience and get themselves out of jams. Look at how what Ozzie did effected Garland, Danks, Floyd...

If that's the case, then Garland could kiss everyone's ass. If it wasn't for Ozzie having immense trust in him, who knows where Garland could be right now. What was always the issue with Jerry Manuel? He pulled the pitchers, especially young ones, too fast, and didn't let them learn from experience and get themselves out of jams. Look at how what Ozzie did effected Garland, Danks, Floyd...

 

I agree with you 100%. As a pitcher, you pretty much have to love Ozzie, because if you are willing to man up, throw strikes, and take the ball, he will put trust in you.

Why? Oli Perez is good, Garland is terrible

 

He's coming off of a below-average year. He also has several solid years, youth, and a ring on his side. Oliver Perez has had some absolutely terrible seasons (especially for the NL), so I'm not seeing your logic here.

 

I don't see JG getting his desired $13M per over multiple years. I think he's under $10M. The buying side of the market is drying up everywhere but NY and Boston, and since he isn't going there, he's going to be very disappointed.

 

I don't see JG getting his desired $13M per over multiple years. I think he's under $10M. The buying side of the market is drying up everywhere but NY and Boston, and since he isn't going there, he's going to be very disappointed.

There's not a chance. I just wonder what kind of offers he's getting. I would doubt he's even getting $8 million a year offers.

There's not a chance. I just wonder what kind of offers he's getting. I would doubt he's even getting $8 million a year offers.

If that's true, and he can be had for like $6M per, then I hope the Sox try to sign him.

 

He's coming off of a below-average year. He also has several solid years, youth, and a ring on his side. Oliver Perez has had some absolutely terrible seasons (especially for the NL), so I'm not seeing your logic here.

Well Perez has better stuff than Garland for starters (even if he doesn't use it effectively and has high pitch counts and walk rates).

 

Perez is also coming off an excellent season in 2007, and a pretty good one in 2008, with a good finish in 2008 from his Post ASB numbers.

 

This is unlike Garland who has an ERA of 5.99 in Post ASB 2008.

 

So I can see why when you look at Perez's age and stuff, and numbers over the past 2 seasons, why he would get more money in a contract than Jon Garland.

Well Perez has better stuff than Garland for starters (even if he doesn't use it effectively and has high pitch counts and walk rates).

 

Perez is also coming off an excellent season in 2007, and a pretty good one in 2008, with a good finish in 2008 from his Post ASB numbers.

 

This is unlike Garland who has an ERA of 5.99 in Post ASB 2008.

 

So I can see why when you look at Perez's age and stuff, and numbers over the past 2 seasons, why he would get more money in a contract than Jon Garland.

 

I wasn't arguing that Garland is worth more than Perez... or even the same amount.

 

Perez had a WHIP of 1.40 and an ERA+ of 100 last season. That's better than what Garland did, but to call Garland "terrible" and Perez "good" - based on essentially one season - is silly. Perez being "average" and Garland being "mediocre" is a lot more accurate.

Edited January 16, 200917 yr by WCSox

I just saw on Sportsday that Jon Garland turned down the Angels arb. offer and that today he declined the $4m deal by Arizona. Does this mean he really does want to come back to Chicago or is he living in a fantasy world about an A.J. Burnett offer? I know his stats are better but there has to be something we are all missing, and I would love him back in Chicago as a #2 or 3.

Since we have 3 pitchers better than him, he would be AT BEST #4

The story about $4M from AZ. was on MLB I think or ESPN so I tend to believe the report is correct. It also went on to say the money just isn't there for the remaining FA's and they will be in for a rude awakening on what they think their value is and the amounts offered. We have a situation where a few big names got way overpaid nd there's nothing left. Of course there is always the Yankmees. I suppose they still have a billion or so dollars left. If we had or have the money I would really like to see Jon Garland back with the Sox, but if he wants $10M it won't happen.

Who cares!! Don't we have anything else to talk about besides Jon Garland? Oh that's right, no!

Who cares!! Don't we have anything else to talk about besides Jon Garland? Oh that's right, no!

If you don't care, then don't read the thread or post in it.