Can someone explain to me how this becomes universal health care? I haven't been on top of this issue.

specifics of the pub. option aren't out, possiblly the medicare +5 or schumers negotiated rates, as it stands, a mandate for health insurance will probably pass and a public option will be instituted where states can opt-out if they don't want it. Those without insurance can get on the PO, and not sure about underinsured.

Can someone explain to me how this becomes universal health care? I haven't been on top of this issue.

The GOP is using the "slipery slope" argument. Basically, once we offer a public option, it'll slowly migrate towards a system where the government squeezes out the other insurers.

specifics of the pub. option aren't out, possiblly the medicare +5 or schumers negotiated rates, as it stands, a mandate for health insurance will probably pass and a public option will be instituted where states can opt-out if they don't want it. Those without insurance can get on the PO, and not sure about underinsured.

 

It will probably be a negotiated rates, not a medicare +5 public option.

I guess I need to be more specific. How does an unemployed person get insurance? Will they get the public option for free?

No, they'll buy it through the Health Care Exchange if they are eligible. Not everyone will be. I've read that it is negotiated rates, not Medicare rates, as well.

Ah. So there won't be a true universal healthcare program.

No. There never was going to be. That idea wasn't even brought up for discussion. Maybe it was the right move given the reaction to a public option.

Ah. So there won't be a true universal healthcare program.

I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many.

 

A drastic shift to universal, or single payer, or even a public option would be very hard. The first step iis to get the public option out there. Then once that is in place and people stop freaking out and realize it isnt so bad, then you move to universal. After that, then single payer... but I just dont see that happening in my lifetime.

I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many.

 

SLIPPERY SLOPE! SLIPPERY SLOPE!!! DEATH PANELS!!!

 

 

I guess I need to be more specific. How does an unemployed person get insurance? Will they get the public option for free?

I believe there will be some subsidies in place for low income/unemployed. It should make insurance outside of a job cheaper than COBRA, ideally.

I've said for a log time now that i believe this is the first step of many.

 

A drastic shift to universal, or single payer, or even a public option would be very hard. The first step iis to get the public option out there. Then once that is in place and people stop freaking out and realize it isnt so bad, then you move to universal. After that, then single payer... but I just dont see that happening in my lifetime.

 

So you criticize the GOP for employing a slippery slope argument that points to exactly what you also believe will eventually happen?

So you criticize the GOP for employing a slippery slope argument that points to exactly what you also believe will eventually happen?

No no. I am saying that is the argument they are using. Not criticizing it. They very well may have some valid points if you believe universal / single payer is a bad idea.

 

I would also argue while I think this is step one in a multi-step PLAN, that doesn't mean the other steps will come to be. AS you can see, there is great outcry by some over a public option. Universal and single payer is a MUCH harder battle. Just because there is a plan doesnt mean it will come to be. The GOP is angling this as Reform = Socialist Single Payer Universal Healthcare, which isnt the case.

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No no. I am saying that is the argument they are using. Not criticizing it. They very well may have some valid points if you believe universal / single payer is a bad idea.

 

Ah ok. I got you now.

Can someone explain how the CBO can score an outline of a bill when they have no idea which/how many states will opt in/out of this plan? It is nonsensical.

Lets hope the flu vaccine boondogle is not a harbinger of things to come, i.e. gov't healthcare. Because so far the response has been pitiful.

 

The administration promised in July that 80-120 million doses would be ready by mid-October. But only 16.5 million doses have become available.

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9102603487.html

 

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LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses.

LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses.

 

 

It was in 2004 when the Dems blamed Bush.

LOL, it's the government's fault that this particular virus doesn't grow as quickly in mass production facilities as other flu viruses.

 

 

How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think?

How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think?

Am I the only one who remembers the virus's sudden appearance on the national consciousness in April after it first really appeared in Mexico in March?

 

You have an odd definition of "Months". Or of "12". I can't tell which.

It was in 2004 when the Dems blamed Bush.

 

haha i remember that

How long did they know swine flu was going to hit the U.S.? (-12 months? Seems like a pretty good head start, don't ya think?

 

No. If they had that much advance warning it would have been included as another strain in the regular seasonal vaccine.

Democrats pretended to be stupid, therefore I should be allowed to as well, except when I do it it's not stupid, it's just honesty

swine flu challenge

 

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu

 

what a badass.

It is patently absurd to blame Obama or Bush for slowness of getting out flu vaccines.