beck72 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...soxnt27.article Ozzie states pretty clearly the sox are willing to go through the pains of having Richard in the rotation for 2009, with the belief that he'll be far improved for 2010, ala the first years of Danks and Floyd in the rotation. Now if Richard next year can come close to what John and Gavin did in their 2nd years, 2010 will be pretty solid. This is good to see, that they believe Richard can be a long term part of the rotation, not just a trade peice or a bullpen guy. I haven't been completely sold on Clayton in the rotation. And he still may need to be moved to the bullpen later this year, and work on things in the offseason to be fully prepared for 2010. But that the sox view Richard as a key building block for the rotation, bodes well for the sox success next year and beyond. I can see Contreras being signed to a reduced, market value contract for 2010 [provided he continues throwing quality starts], such as a 1 year deal, $6 mill, with a team option for 2011. Then late 2010, a few young arms may be ready to help in the rotation, such as Poreda, Daniel Hudson, Ely or Shirek. That the sox view Richard as a SP also means the sox can spend money/ make trades to add position players and the bullpen, if need be. This is good news, even if Richard can't make it past the 4th inning in any more starts this year, and makes only a few more starts in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 i like what i've seen out of Richard. I think he can be a legit #2 or #3 starter down the road. He's like alot of young pitchers that will throw 4 good innings and then get dinged. He'll start making the adjustments as he gets more experience. The rotation is looking like a strength for the coming years as these guys continue to mature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Do you think it could be bad if we had 4 lefties in the rotation? If we had Buehrle, Danks, Richard, and Poreda.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Ugh.... Poreda = The Future Richard = Middle Relief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) It's smart to position Richard as a starter, whether it's to keep him or to trade him (50-50 odds at this point). Lefty starters have alot of value in MLB (above market norms for pitchers). Stick him in the pen the rest of the year and you kill his trade value. Get a few more starts like we saw from him earlier this year (around the time of the Peavy rumors) and he has MUCH more value. Edited June 27, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Yep. They are upping Richard's trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (Cali @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 11:04 AM) Ugh.... Poreda = The Future Richard = Middle Relief Clayton should be able to become a solid back of the rotation starter. Nothing special, but there's nothing wrong with having a young, cheap, solid left handed starter at the back of your rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 03:53 PM) i like what i've seen out of Richard. I think he can be a legit #2 or #3 starter down the road. He's like alot of young pitchers that will throw 4 good innings and then get dinged. He'll start making the adjustments as he gets more experience. The rotation is looking like a strength for the coming years as these guys continue to mature. I'm thinking he'll be more of a 4 or 5th SP myself. I just don't think his stuff is that outstanding, unless one of his breaking pitches improves or he learns a new pitch--like Danks learned the cutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (Cali @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 04:04 PM) Ugh.... Poreda = The Future Richard = Middle Relief I'd be happy if one of the two at least becomes part of the rotation. Then the sox only need 1 more arm for the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 04:03 PM) Do you think it could be bad if we had 4 lefties in the rotation? If we had Buehrle, Danks, Richard, and Poreda.... I doubt it. But if they could all get outs, and not have big splits between LHB and RHB, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 05:16 PM) Clayton should be able to become a solid back of the rotation starter. Nothing special, but there's nothing wrong with having a young, cheap, solid left handed starter at the back of your rotation. Getting him to be a solid SP is key. then they could move him if a guy from the minors is ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 11:26 AM) I'm thinking he'll be more of a 4 or 5th SP myself. I just don't think his stuff is that outstanding, unless one of his breaking pitches improves or he learns a new pitch--like Danks learned the cutter. This team always seems to have guys coming up with new pitches. Anyone think they'll have Clayton with a cutter before long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) I'd be happy if one of the two at least becomes part of the rotation. Then the sox only need 1 more arm for the rotation. And the Sox have at least 1-2 guys who look like they're on the race track heading up to the big leagues, if they stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 how far away are carter and friend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 27, 2009 -> 01:26 PM) how far away are carter and friend? By Friend...I'm assuming you mean Hudson, who is just destroying our system this year? Right now, he's looking like he's on the path McCarthy was on in 2004. He could easily impress in ST next year and make himself an option for the big league team at some point next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 I was. It's hot and I have no AC. It's a miracle I could think of Carter's name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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