Again for the mentaly retarded here...........I never said I want 100% Nix to play 3rd base...........This was all about if Kenny moves Alexie and Beckham gets moved to SS...............Which is not outrages since ...for the last time is his NATRUAL position.

Guys move positions. Dye was a natural shortstop. Konerko a natural catcher. Carlos Lee was a 3rd baseman. And thats just using Sox players as examples. It happens all the time.

I finaly understand why people hate these message boards.................

12 million hits a month, a few thousand members...recognition by the Sox organization, yep, this place sucks pretty bad.

I disagree, I think he was much better late in the season than he was earlier in the season. He looked much more comfortable, had better footwork, etc.

Whatever you're seeing, I didn't see. I didn't watch him that closely in late September, but I saw zero improvement. His problems aren't physical, they're all in his head, and he still didn't look like he was getting it.

Can you input some sort of IQ test that you have to pass to make an account here or something?

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I finaly understand why people hate these message boards.................

We don't take kindly to no message board intolerance 'round here!

 

(Now, Skeeter...)

 

But seriously, you're a moron. SoxTalk rules.

I can't see the Red Sox being one of the teams interested in Jenks. One of the reasons the Red Sox would look to trade Papelbon, if true, is he's getting expensive. So is Jenks. In addition, they have their future closer in Daniel Bard. If they don't feel he's ready to close, they'll just hand the job to Saito, who's been a very good closer and is cheap.

 

Agreed completely. Though Buster Olney said earlier today that he sees both Soxs trading. He mentioned Jenks and Alexei to the Red Sox for Bard, Ellsbury, and Okajima. Again.. that was his proposal.

Can you input some sort of IQ test that you have to pass to make an account here or something?

No. There are lots of athletes here, and generally athletes don't respond well to the Wunderlich (sp?).

 

Honestly this isn't anything to do with one message board. I used to be on another one and it was the same thing. Every offseason there is an influx of angry people who demand you agree with their stupid trade ideas.

Agreed completely. Though Buster Olney said earlier today that he sees both Soxs trading. He mentioned Jenks and Alexei to the Red Sox for Bard, Ellsbury, and Okajima. Again.. that was his proposal.

Buster Olney mentioned that? That deal would be retarded for the Red Sox. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Agreed completely. Though Buster Olney said earlier today that he sees both Soxs trading. He mentioned Jenks and Alexei to the Red Sox for Bard, Ellsbury, and Okajima. Again.. that was his proposal.

I'd be on-board. I love Bard and think he's got upside and while I'd hate to see Alexei go, I think Ellsbury gives the Sox an added dimension, plus gives the Sox financial flexibility. Value wise the BoSox maybe win out, but I love the idea of Bard and Ellsbury since both are cheap and ultimately I have a lot of confidence in Thornton as our closer and Bard as a potential closer in a year or two and a great set-up man.

 

 

Agreed completely. Though Buster Olney said earlier today that he sees both Soxs trading. He mentioned Jenks and Alexei to the Red Sox for Bard, Ellsbury, and Okajima. Again.. that was his proposal.

Where did you read/hear this?

I'd be on-board. I love Bard and think he's got upside and while I'd hate to see Alexei go, I think Ellsbury gives the Sox an added dimension, plus gives the Sox financial flexibility. Value wise the BoSox maybe win out, but I love the idea of Bard and Ellsbury since both are cheap and ultimately I have a lot of confidence in Thornton as our closer and Bard as a potential closer in a year or two and a great set-up man.

Really? I love Alexei, but Bard is wicked and Ellsbury is one of my favorite players. If we made Bard the 2010 closer - and I don't think that is a huge stretch BTW - then we'd have a closer, another righty setup man to push Pena into a specialist role where he has done well, we wouldn't have to rely on Linebrink, and we'd solve the OF and lead-off situations by pushing Rios to RF. All we'd need after that is a second lefty in the pen, a SS, and hopefully a big lefty bat. But we'd cut payroll in the deal, so we could sign a lefty to DH (Abreu? Damon? Matsui?) on a short-term deal, and then we could trade for a defense-first SS and another lefty reliever. That deal would rock, but I don't think it's realistic at all. On talent alone we rape the Red Sox IMO.

I finaly understand why people hate these message boards.................

 

The IQ level is obviously way too high for you, and hurting your head...

Really? I love Alexei, but Bard is wicked and Ellsbury is one of my favorite players. If we made Bard the 2010 closer - and I don't think that is a huge stretch BTW - then we'd have a closer, another righty setup man to push Pena into a specialist role where he has done well, we wouldn't have to rely on Linebrink, and we'd solve the OF and lead-off situations by pushing Rios to RF. All we'd need after that is a second lefty in the pen, a SS, and hopefully a big lefty bat. But we'd cut payroll in the deal, so we could sign a lefty to DH (Abreu? Damon? Matsui?) on a short-term deal, and then we could trade for a defense-first SS and another lefty reliever. That deal would rock, but I don't think it's realistic at all. On talent alone we rape the Red Sox IMO.

I'd think that Alexei would have a ton of value to the BoSox seeing as he'd fill the shortstop void they've had so much trouble with cheaply, but I don't see where Bobby fits in here.

 

Maybe Alexei for Jacoby and Okajima, and go after Scutaro.

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Where did you read/hear this?

 

Friend told me (actually texted me) from ESPN 1000 earlier today, and also just to make sure it's legit, I skimmed through some boards and Rocabilly from WSI also mentioned it earlier today and as some people know here from years past, is a very good source.

Ellsbury would play LF then? He's awful out there in CF compared to Rios.

I'd think that Alexei would have a ton of value to the BoSox seeing as he'd fill the shortstop void they've had so much trouble with cheaply, but I don't see where Bobby fits in here.

 

Maybe Alexei for Jacoby and Okajima.

Agree that Alexei would have a ton of value to anyone needing a SS, but Ellsbury is a super stud. If I had Ellsbury I wouldn't make that trade straight-up.

 

Alexei's career numbers: .283/.326/.430/.755

Ellsbury's career numbers: .297/.350/.414/.764

 

Ellsbury is 25, Alexei is 27. Alexei has HR power, but Ellsbury is a burner - he stole 70 bases last year, 50 the year before. Also, Alexei sometimes has brainfarts, and I'm not going to say Ellsbury doesn't because I don't see him all the time like I see Alexei, but I haven't read/heard about that from Jacoby. Both are great values ATM. The biggest disadvantage (for us if we made that deal) would be that IIRC Ellsbury is a Borass client, meaning we wouldn't be able to extend him. Borass would take him to arb every year and make sure he gets whatever is the maximum at that time.

 

But I just don't see the Red Sox offering that at all. If they offered us anything it would be prospects and maybe a reliever. If I could get Buchholz and Bard out of the deal I'd make it, not because it makes us better in 2010, but because that is an enormous amount of talent that I wouldn't be able to pass up.

 

 

Maybe Alexei for Jacoby and Okajima, and go after Scutaro.

 

s***, I'd be fine with doing the Buster deal (though I doubt the Red Sox would or would need another piece, though they love Alexei) and just sign a defensive stud 3B with average/serivceable numbers like an Adrian Beltre (hopefully his balls are alright) this offseason.

 

Agree that Alexei would have a ton of value to anyone needing a SS, but Ellsbury is a super stud. If I had Ellsbury I wouldn't make that trade straight-up.

 

I love Ellsbury as well, but I do agree that he is very much expandable, not to mention the Red Sox will be going hard after Matt Holliday this offseason so it isn't out of the question they can find/trade for another good CF as their farm is stacked. Plus, Dustin Pedroia is more than capable of leading off, as he's done so before and is very good at it.

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Ellsbury would play LF then? He's awful out there in CF compared to Rios.

Is Ellsbury really that awful in CF? He certainly wasn't an awful defensive CF as a prospect.

Is Ellsbury really that awful in CF? He certainly wasn't an awful defensive CF as a prospect.

He had something like a -16 UZR in CF this season IIRC.

Really? I love Alexei, but Bard is wicked and Ellsbury is one of my favorite players. If we made Bard the 2010 closer - and I don't think that is a huge stretch BTW - then we'd have a closer, another righty setup man to push Pena into a specialist role where he has done well, we wouldn't have to rely on Linebrink, and we'd solve the OF and lead-off situations by pushing Rios to RF. All we'd need after that is a second lefty in the pen, a SS, and hopefully a big lefty bat. But we'd cut payroll in the deal, so we could sign a lefty to DH (Abreu? Damon? Matsui?) on a short-term deal, and then we could trade for a defense-first SS and another lefty reliever. That deal would rock, but I don't think it's realistic at all. On talent alone we rape the Red Sox IMO.

I meant value as in terms of players. I think Alexei is pretty good and his value being a SS is very nice. Jenks is a good closer but would be a nasty set-up man. Bard has a great arm, but far more raw, so based upon pure performance (not factoring in contract, etc)...Jenks > Bard and Ellsbury and Alexei are relatively even (both play premium positions and both have flaws to there game).

 

Basically put, I think it is a close match, although that isn't factoring in Jenks contract. Either way I have no clue what the BoSox rationale for that move would be, but if they want a SS and have someone else in mind at CF, than it could be an option and obviously it would give them one hell of a f***ing pen with Jenks/Paplebon.

 

As a Sox fan, I'd be 1000% on board.

Ellsbury would play LF then? He's awful out there in CF compared to Rios.

Are you sure. I don't watch enough Boston games to make a full opinion, but I've always been very impressed with his defense. Maybe I'm biased cause i see a ton of web-gems with him in it though.

Is Ellsbury really that awful in CF? He certainly wasn't an awful defensive CF as a prospect.

 

He isn't a bad CF (nor am I a big UZR fan but it kind of backs it up) but he isn't as good as the media/the hype says he is.

He is below average on getting jumps. Similar to Pods. He is awful compared to Rios, who is very good.

I meant value as in terms of players. I think Alexei is pretty good and his value being a SS is very nice. Jenks is a good closer but would be a nasty set-up man. Bard has a great arm, but far more raw, so based upon pure performance (not factoring in contract, etc)...Jenks > Bard and Ellsbury and Alexei are relatively even (both play premium positions and both have flaws to there game).

 

Basically put, I think it is a close match, although that isn't factoring in Jenks contract. Either way I have no clue what the BoSox rationale for that move would be, but if they want a SS and have someone else in mind at CF, than it could be an option and obviously it would give them one hell of a f***ing pen with Jenks/Paplebon.

 

As a Sox fan, I'd be 1000% on board.

I see. I was thinking more in terms of now and in the future along with production vs. cost. LOL, I'd have no clue what their rationale would be either, but if that was on the table, I wouldn't ask any questions.

At this point, I'd consider Bard to be superior to Jenks in ability/health. Just not as "Battle Tested."