No it isn't. The Medicaid enrolees are much, much larger since they didn't have to pay anything. The numbers in that article in the 10's of thousands for the states that did things well are the numbers who paid for their plan.

 

And just to note...that's them pre-paying. They paid for plans in November that won't start until January.

 

So you agree with what I said. The majority of the number you cited in that article were Medicaid enrollees. Where in that article unless I missed it, does it state that people paid for their plans? I did read it quickly...

$50/month for full health care including dental, specialists, etc, etc with max $1,000 out of pocket and a $0 deductible?

 

Thank you Obamacare! Wake the f*** up America.

$50/month for full health care including dental, specialists, etc, etc with max $1,000 out of pocket and a $0 deductible?

 

Thank you Obamacare! Wake the f*** up America.

 

What the f*** are you talking about here?

I'm gonna guess his new healthcare plan?

I'm gonna guess his new healthcare plan?

 

No, I mean by his trailing comment -- he's telling America to wake the f*** up, while ignoring the fact that America elected a president that put said legislation into effect/law, enabling him to get that, not once, but twice.

 

By that rational, America DID wake the f*** up...or he wouldn't have what he has. This is just typical partisan stupidity. He's b****ing to b**** about nothing.

 

I get annoyed when 21 year olds (or in that age group) pretend they have it so s***ty, and everything around them is s***ty, and that the rest of the world is awesome, and they've not lived a single hard day in their lives.

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$50/month for full health care including dental, specialists, etc, etc with max $1,000 out of pocket and a $0 deductible?

 

Thank you Obamacare! Wake the f*** up America.

 

No vision plan?

No, I mean by his trailing comment -- he's telling America to wake the f*** up, while ignoring the fact that America elected a president that put said legislation into effect/law, enabling him to get that, not once, but twice.

 

By that rational, America DID wake the f*** up...or he wouldn't have what he has. This is just typical partisan stupidity. He's b****ing to b**** about nothing.

 

I get annoyed when 21 year olds (or in that age group) pretend they have it so s***ty, and everything around them is s***ty, and that the rest of the world is awesome, and they've not lived a single hard day in their lives.

Whoa.

 

EDIT: To be honest, your post is equally ignorant, if not even more so.

Edited November 21, 201312 yr by Reddy

No vision plan?

yes vision is included as well. In fact, they even offer partial reimbursement for gym memberships as preventative care.

Whoa.

 

EDIT: To be honest, your post is equally ignorant, if not even more so.

 

Only it's not.

 

You're b****ing about something working out well for you, and telling the country to wake up at the same time.

 

The country obviously DID wake up, but you're CHOOSING to ignore that because you want to make a negative partisan political point, for no reason. It doesn't matter what some fringe element wants to do with the law right now...it's law, and it's a law that's been upheld by the supreme court. It's done.

 

This is like winning, and then b****ing because the team you beat isn't happy you won. So what.

 

The country you're telling to wake up elected this president twice. I thought that's what you wanted? Apparently you wanted Romney, since you're telling us to "wake up".

Only it's not.

 

You're b****ing about something working out well for you, and telling the country to wake up at the same time.

 

The country obviously DID wake up, but you're CHOOSING to ignore that because you want to make a negative partisan political point, for no reason. It doesn't matter what some fringe element wants to do with the law right now...it's law, and it's a law that's been upheld by the supreme court. It's done.

 

This is like winning, and then b****ing because the team you beat isn't happy you won. So what.

 

The country you're telling to wake up elected this president twice. I thought that's what you wanted? Apparently you wanted Romney, since you're telling us to "wake up".

 

I think you misinterpret me. My "wake the f*** up America" is to the Duke's of the world to realize that ACA will do a world of good for millions of people

 

All that ranting for nothing. How sad.

I think you misinterpret me. My "wake the f*** up America" is to the Duke's of the world to realize that ACA will do a world of good for millions of people

 

All that ranting for nothing. How sad.

 

It wasn't for nothing, since you read it.

 

Oh, and next time you're addressing Duke, do that. The Duke's of the world do not represent "America" in the least. If they did, Obama wouldn't have been elected...twice.

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I think you misinterpret me. My "wake the f*** up America" is to the Duke's of the world to realize that ACA will do a world of good for millions of people

 

All that ranting for nothing. How sad.

 

So you're going to ignore the millions that were negatively affected?

So you're going to ignore the millions that were negatively affected?

 

If millions have to pay more, so that the 47 million people in this country who were previously uninsured are now able to afford it, then I support that - and would also support it if I were one who had to pay more.

 

Something about what you can do for your country comes to mind...

It wasn't for nothing, since you read it.

 

Oh, and next time you're addressing Duke, do that. The Duke's of the world do not represent "America" in the least. If they did, Obama wouldn't have been elected...twice.

 

I wasn't addressing Duke specifically, but everyone who rants and raves about Obamacare being the WORSZT THING EVARRR! It's ok man - you misinterpreted it and PMS'd a little. Happens to us all

If millions have to pay more, so that the 47 million people in this country who were previously uninsured are now able to afford it, then I support that - and would also support it if I were one who had to pay more.

 

Something about what you can do for your country comes to mind...

Hahahahahahaha

If millions have to pay more, so that the 47 million people in this country who were previously uninsured are now able to afford it, then I support that - and would also support it if I were one who had to pay more.

 

Something about what you can do for your country comes to mind...

 

It's easy to say that when it's not the case.

 

It's always easier to spend other peoples money, isn't it?

 

Now, when it comes to me, I actually CAN say that. Where you pay 50$ a month, I get to pay 400+$ a month for my family, and I work for the industry, no less.

It's easy to say that when it's not the case.

 

It's always easier to spend other peoples money, isn't it?

 

Now, when it comes to me, I actually CAN say that. Where you pay 50$ a month, I get to pay 400+$ a month for my family, and I work for the industry, no less.

I appreciate that man, I really do, but first of all I'm sure you at least triple if not quadruple my income on your own. Does your wife work? I know you're slightly older than me

It's easy to say that when it's not the case.

 

It's always easier to spend other peoples money, isn't it?

 

Now, when it comes to me, I actually CAN say that. Where you pay 50$ a month, I get to pay 400+$ a month for my family, and I work for the industry, no less.

 

Who told you to stick your pecker in your wife and produce kids?

I appreciate that man, I really do, but first of all I'm sure you at least triple if not quadruple my income on your own. Does your wife work? I know you're slightly older than me

 

No, my wife does not work, she's a stay at home mom.

Hahahahahahaha

Pay to cover uninsured peoples' emergency room visits with higher premiums or pay for everyone to be covered by insurance? I honestly can't tell you how it'll hash out yet in terms of overall expense to the consumer, but I'm willing to see what happens. It's worth a shot. But I'm also willing to try and fix a broken system instead of just saying "get over it, that's the way it is".

 

Oh and by the way - as for your beloved free market, I had 73 options of policies to choose between. That seems like a free market to me!

If millions have to pay more, so that the 47 million people in this country who were previously uninsured are now able to afford it, then I support that - and would also support it if I were one who had to pay more.

 

Something about what you can do for your country comes to mind...

 

"If young people have to go to war and die to preserve our freedom, well, so be it. I support that. What you can do for your country..." - me, 31 year old who wouldn't be eligible for a draft.

No, my wife does not work, she's a stay at home mom.

 

Fair enough. I assume, then, that you make enough money to support a family of four? If that's the case, then frankly I wouldn't be surprised if you DO make 8x what I do! Or if not 8x, you're insuring FOUR people for $400 while I'm insuring just one. I don't really see what there is to complain about to be honest.

"If young people have to go to war and die to preserve our freedom, well, so be it. I support that. What you can do for your country..." - me, 31 year old who wouldn't be eligible for a draft.

 

Hey the moment Canada invades, I'd be willing to defend our country. However that doesn't seem entirely likely, and no other war we've fought in the last 70 years was done so to "preserve our freedom"

Pay to cover uninsured peoples' emergency room visits with higher premiums or pay for everyone to be covered by insurance? I honestly can't tell you how it'll hash out yet in terms of overall expense to the consumer, but I'm willing to see what happens. It's worth a shot. But I'm also willing to try and fix a broken system instead of just saying "get over it, that's the way it is".

 

Oh and by the way - as for your beloved free market, I had 73 options of policies to choose between. That seems like a free market to me!

 

Well, for the most part I agree with you here.

 

IF something good comes out of this, then great. The problem is, however, if this turns really bad, we will still be stuck with it, or some bastardized form of it...it's not like we live in a world where we shift on a dime when things go bad. Instead, we try to bandaid the problem over and over by throwing gobs of money at it, while fixing nothing.

 

Take a look at education...the US spends more money than anyone in the world and we have one of the worst school systems in existence.

"If young people have to go to war and die to preserve our freedom, well, so be it. I support that. What you can do for your country..." - me, 31 year old who wouldn't be eligible for a draft.

 

They really like to keep them young. Once you're 27, you no longer are eligible.