witesoxfan Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Haha. Rick White blows. I'd rather have Wright and Ginter up then White's fatass. As it has been said or thought so many times before.....don't let the door hit you on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Rick White......................................HE GAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell ya! ... I thought they way we were managing our bullpen that WE WOULDNT WIN ANYTHING????? :fyou :fyou :fyou Rick White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 I really want to see Ginter pitch a good amount in the next few weeks so we can see what we have and know if we'll be able to use him in close/late situations and in the playoffs. white, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Last thing we need right now is any b****ing in a clubhouse that seems to have good chemistry (winning will usually do that) I agree with everything you just said, and I really believe Ginter can be a very quality pitcher for the sox, and that they will be able to use him in close and late situations, I'm very happy to see him stay with the major league club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Finally he'll get his real job back.... Bartender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 No........... Cotts will only be added if they need him to pitch in the Big Leagues this year. Reed will not be added. When you ask about players being on the "40 man roster" and the big league teams "25 man roster" are you asking about the same thing? I always thought the 40 man roster was those players that the team protected, and included the actual team roster and 15 minor leaguers we didn't want to lose. The 25 man roster was the group playing for the big league team. Please explain why Cotts is not on the 40 man roster already? There must be a rule that I am not aware of and I am confuced about the questions concerning adding someone to the 40 man roster. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 I thought the 40 man roster was for your 25 guys and the 15 you want to have ready to be called up at any time. With Cotts I think the deal is we don't want to put him on the roster now because that starts his Major League service clock a ticking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Know your role..... IN AAA DOOFUS! :fyou Rick White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Then Rex, who would you expect to be added? I wouldn't be surprised if Miles was added, but I don't see many AAA types other than him who should be added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 No........... Cotts will only be added if they need him to pitch in the Big Leagues this year. Reed will not be added. When you ask about players being on the "40 man roster" and the big league teams "25 man roster" are you asking about the same thing? I always thought the 40 man roster was those players that the team protected, and included the actual team roster and 15 minor leaguers we didn't want to lose. The 25 man roster was the group playing for the big league team. Please explain why Cotts is not on the 40 man roster already? There must be a rule that I am not aware of and I am confuced about the questions concerning adding someone to the 40 man roster. Thanks! Players don't have to be protected on the 40-man roster for 3 years (college draftee) or 4 years (HS draftee). Once you put them on the 40-man roster, then their MLB service time clock starts ticking which means arbitration and free agency come sooner. So it is wise to not put a player on the 40-man roster before you have to protect him unless you feel he is ready to make a significant contribution in the Majors and is ready to stay. If you feel he might be a year away, you wait. For example, Matt Ginter was called up in 2000 instead of them letting him play in the Olympics. That started his service time clock and options. He has since been sent back to the Minors in 2001, 2002 and 2003, so he will be o ut of options next year, presenting the Sox with a lack of options. He either will have to make the Major League team next season out of spring training, be traded or placed on waiver to be sent back to AAA. If the Sox woudl have been a little more judicious with his callup (how much of a contribution did he really make in 2000?), they would still have one option on him next year, giving them roster flexibility. Once a player gets to the point where he has to be protected, then he must be put on the 40-man roster by a certain date in the fall (Octoberish) or risk being lost in the Rule V draft. There is more, but that is the long and short of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Cerb, if you are talking in Sept. then see he Sept. callup thread someone started earlier today. If you are talking in the offseason, I am not sure yet. Haven't really looked in depth at who will be free agents, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 No........... Cotts will only be added if they need him to pitch in the Big Leagues this year. Reed will not be added. When you ask about players being on the "40 man roster" and the big league teams "25 man roster" are you asking about the same thing? I always thought the 40 man roster was those players that the team protected, and included the actual team roster and 15 minor leaguers we didn't want to lose. The 25 man roster was the group playing for the big league team. Please explain why Cotts is not on the 40 man roster already? There must be a rule that I am not aware of and I am confuced about the questions concerning adding someone to the 40 man roster. Thanks! Players don't have to be protected on the 40-man roster for 3 years (college draftee) or 4 years (HS draftee). Once you put them on the 40-man roster, then their MLB service time clock starts ticking which means arbitration and free agency come sooner. So it is wise to not put a player on the 40-man roster before you have to protect him unless you feel he is ready to make a significant contribution in the Majors and is ready to stay. If you feel he might be a year away, you wait. For example, Matt Ginter was called up in 2000 instead of them letting him play in the Olympics. That started his service time clock and options. He has since been sent back to the Minors in 2001, 2002 and 2003, so he will be o ut of options next year, presenting the Sox with a lack of options. He either will have to make the Major League team next season out of spring training, be traded or placed on waiver to be sent back to AAA. If the Sox woudl have been a little more judicious with his callup (how much of a contribution did he really make in 2000?), they would still have one option on him next year, giving them roster flexibility. Once a player gets to the point where he has to be protected, then he must be put on the 40-man roster by a certain date in the fall (Octoberish) or risk being lost in the Rule V draft. There is more, but that is the long and short of it. damn, another great info that you were able to pass down to us, esp from an angle i would never have looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Can somebody remind me how we acquired White? Was it a trade gone bad or ? He didn't seem as bad a guy in the clarification column by Arvia in the Southtown. But he sure stunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Can somebody remind me how we acquired White? Was it a trade gone bad or ? He didn't seem as bad a guy in the clarification column by Arvia in the Southtown. But he sure stunk. Signed as a free agent in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Can somebody remind me how we acquired White? Was it a trade gone bad or ? He didn't seem as bad a guy in the clarification column by Arvia in the Southtown. But he sure stunk. Signed as a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 This is exactly the same thing the Sox did with Jiminez and Rios. With Jiminez, it gave them time to work a trade, which the Sox may be able to do with White. I would guess the Cardinals might want him, as they rehabbed him last year too. We might get a toss in. I certainly hope he doesn't go the way of Rios and accept reassignment. He's blown his goodwill in the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I wonder if he has learned his role yet. UNEMPLOYMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I wonder if he has learned his role yet. UNEMPLOYMENT LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Cerb, do not even have to fill up 40-man to be 40, can stay at 38-39 if we elect, then we have ability to pick up someone who may get released, without wasting an option on someone like Cotts, Reed. Expecially in off season, the 40 man is rarely filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Cerb, do not even have to fill up 40-man to be 40, can stay at 38-39 if we elect, then we have ability to pick up someone who may get released, without wasting an option on someone like Cotts, Reed. Expecially in off season, the 40 man is rarely filled. I know that the 40 can be left vacant at some points, was just wondering if the Sox had any thought of keeping it at 40 instead of 39. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Did the Sox pay White a lot of moolah? Or did he come cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Did the Sox pay White a lot of moolah? Or did he come cheap? I don't recall exactly, but it was about 1 million. EDIT: 650,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Did the Sox pay White a lot of moolah? Or did he come cheap? 650K. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but about a $1000 per each .01 of an era point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 An expensive agent, not a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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