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HOLEEE CRAP THAT TOOK A WHILE

HOLEEE CRAP THAT TOOK A WHILE

 

lol. I started to split the topic, then I couldn't figure out where to start.

Rick Ankiel is theoretically available...was designed for assignment.

Rick Ankiel is theoretically available...was designed for assignment.

 

Loogy? Kidding. Sort of.

Rick Ankiel is theoretically available...was designed for assignment.

I didn't know he still played.

Loogy? Kidding. Sort of.

 

Why not? Just don't tell him in advance.

Why not? Just don't tell him in advance.

 

Here is the ball, good luck

Here is the ball, good luck

*throws it into the stands*

Why is there even a debate?

 

Juan Pierre's wOBA is like 8 points higher than Viciedo's this year and this is the best Juan's hit since 2009.

 

If Juan Pierre needs to hit .310 to be better than Viciedo hitting .250, then there shouldn't be a debate. Mostly because Pierre's not going to keep up the .310 pace (because he's just not that good of a hitter, especially at this point in his career) and Viciedo sure as hell isn't going to have a .323 wOBA all year long.

 

Both don't walk, both make a lot of outs, both are below average in the outfield. But at least Viciedo gives you pop instead of the occasional double Pierre MIGHT provide you. Did I mention one of them is 23 and the other is in his mid-30s?

Why is there even a debate?

 

Juan Pierre's wOBA is like 8 points higher than Viciedo's this year and this is the best Juan's hit since 2009.

 

If Juan Pierre needs to hit .310 to be better than Viciedo hitting .250, then there shouldn't be a debate. Mostly because Pierre's not going to keep up the .310 pace (because he's just not that good of a hitter, especially at this point in his career) and Viciedo sure as hell isn't going to have a .323 wOBA all year long.

 

Both don't walk, both make a lot of outs, both are below average in the outfield. But at least Viciedo gives you pop instead of the occasional double Pierre MIGHT provide you. Did I mention one of them is 23 and the other is in his mid-30s?

 

Viciedo is a lefty masher. His numbers against righties suggest the Sox can improve if he has a platoon partner the last 2 months of the season. Get me a guy who gets on base v. righties.

Here is the ball, good luck

 

It would probably push Coop over the edge to see an arm like Ankiel's day after day and not be allowed to fix it.

I don't even know how Juan Pierre is doing this season.

Why is there even a debate?

 

Juan Pierre's wOBA is like 8 points higher than Viciedo's this year and this is the best Juan's hit since 2009.

 

If Juan Pierre needs to hit .310 to be better than Viciedo hitting .250, then there shouldn't be a debate. Mostly because Pierre's not going to keep up the .310 pace (because he's just not that good of a hitter, especially at this point in his career) and Viciedo sure as hell isn't going to have a .323 wOBA all year long.

 

Both don't walk, both make a lot of outs, both are below average in the outfield. But at least Viciedo gives you pop instead of the occasional double Pierre MIGHT provide you. Did I mention one of them is 23 and the other is in his mid-30s?

Pretty much sums it up. I'm all for making the team better, but you're not going to see much of an improvement (if any) if you replace/platoon Juan Pierre for Viciedo. Realistically, if you want to improve LF and the hitter that occupies LF, you're not going to do that without giving up a lot more than you'd want to. Besides, as I've said before, you have to consider the development of Viciedo.

Viciedo is a lefty masher. His numbers against righties suggest the Sox can improve if he has a platoon partner the last 2 months of the season. Get me a guy who gets on base v. righties.

 

 

I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DECIDED THIS DEBATE WAS OVER...

 

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT AGAIN WITH ANOTHER PLAYER NOT NAMED PIERRE?

 

WHAT'S THE POINT?

 

 

Pretty much sums it up. I'm all for making the team better, but you're not going to see much of an improvement (if any) if you replace/platoon Juan Pierre for Viciedo. Realistically, if you want to improve LF and the hitter that occupies LF, you're not going to do that without giving up a lot more than you'd want to. Besides, as I've said before, you have to consider the development of Viciedo.

 

Player development should never be a consideration in August and September when the team is in as close of a race as they are. In short, it's winning time and even a small upgrade in LF could win you a game and in a tight race that could be the difference.

Player development should never be a consideration in August and September when the team is in as close of a race as they are. In short, it's winning time and even a small upgrade in LF could win you a game and in a tight race that could be the difference.

Yes it should, if you can still win while developing talent. I think the sox can with Dayan. The bullpen scares me much more than his performance.

Player development should never be a consideration in August and September when the team is in as close of a race as they are. In short, it's winning time and even a small upgrade in LF could win you a game and in a tight race that could be the difference.

 

 

Yeah, the calculation will change even more towards the future/development when you're fighting for a wild card spot versus the division.

 

It's not worth mortgaging your future for a 50/50 play-in game.

 

But keep arguing the same same point.

 

Player development is ALWAYS a consideration for a major league team. Why do you think they haven't sent down Santiago?

Edited July 19, 201213 yr by caulfield12

Player development should never be a consideration in August and September when the team is in as close of a race as they are. In short, it's winning time and even a small upgrade in LF could win you a game and in a tight race that could be the difference.

Player development should always be a consideration. I agree that wins are that much more important in August and September, but the Sox have been winning with Viciedo in LF. I honestly don't see any move the Sox could logically make that would make that much of an improvement in LF. To get a player that would make enough of a difference to consider benching/platooning Viciedo would cost too much.

Yes it should, if you can still win while developing talent. I think the sox can with Dayan. The bullpen scares me much more than his performance.

 

I respectfully disagree about development in August and September when the team is in a race. A starter, a reliever, and a platoon partner for LF, in that order.

I respectfully disagree about development in August and September when the team is in a race. A starter, a reliever, and a platoon partner for LF, in that order.

 

 

Then why are 90-95% of your posts about an issue you consider at best to be the 3rd highest priority?

 

Have you made a single post about relievers?

I respectfully disagree about development in August and September when the team is in a race. A starter, a reliever, and a platoon partner for LF, in that order.

I agree with the first two, although they might be equally important depending on Danks. I admire your passion about platooning Viciedo, but you don't think that there might be other positions where you could argue the same point? DH, 2B, C...

I agree with the first two, although they might be equally important depending on Danks. I admire your passion about platooning Viciedo, but you don't think that there might be other positions where you could argue the same point? DH, 2B, C...

 

Absolutely there are other positions, but I don't think they can be upgraded as cheaply as LF. The problem is, the Sox have a couple of glaring holes on the pitching staff that need to be addressed and not a lot of assets to do it with.