Yeah, as I said, I think more than anything we are seeing a greater divide in education results, between haves and have-nots. Similar to the income gaps increasing, with the middle thinning out.

Actually, this is kinda not true either. The gaps between the haves and have nots have actually narrowed with time...although to my eyes this is mostly because we've narrowed the racial and gender gaps in performance somewhat, and for now that has overwhelmed the expanding inequality elsewhere.

I'm surprised this lasted the whole week. I thought everybody figured it'd be a day or two max.

 

The Sun Times wrote: "The union is organizing a huge rally at noon Saturday in Union Park. Depending on the state of talks, the rally could be a victory celebration or a show of force in the union’s push for what it calls a “fair contract."

 

I think it'd be in poor taste to hold a victory rally. What are we celebrating here, teachers? Kind of a selfish thing to do. Just shut up if you get the contract you want and resume teaching on Monday. What kind of example are you setting for the kids here if you have some stupid victory rally?

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by greg775

I see all these people who have NO CLUE what it's actually like to teach in an "inner city" dysfunctional school...it's typical.

 

 

My blood pressure went up 10 points the first year I was in this environment. The stressors are pretty incredible and nearly constant.

I see all these people who have NO CLUE what it's actually like to teach in an "inner city" dysfunctional school...it's typical.

 

 

My blood pressure went up 10 points the first year I was in this environment. The stressors are pretty incredible and nearly constant.

 

What is it like?

My friend who works in the cps system posted this:

 

http://liveandknot.wordpress.com/2012/09/1...hers-narrative/

My friend who works in the cps system posted this:

 

http://liveandknot.wordpress.com/2012/09/1...hers-narrative/

 

That's a pretty good read.

Actually, this is kinda not true either. The gaps between the haves and have nots have actually narrowed with time...although to my eyes this is mostly because we've narrowed the racial and gender gaps in performance somewhat, and for now that has overwhelmed the expanding inequality elsewhere.

Narrowed? I'm not seeing it. Can you show me?

 

Narrowed? I'm not seeing it. Can you show me?

Here's a good summary of the federal education data.

 

Edit: Same data basically, more graphs.

Here's a good summary of the federal education data.

 

Edit: Same data basically, more graphs.

Not a single piece of data in either article deals with what I was talking about. What I've been saying is, the gap (in my view) seems to be widening between haves and have-nots in terms of educational achievement/performance. The meaningul data there, if there is such data (I can't really find it), would be to show how test scores (and/or other measures) have done in the well-off public schools, versus the poor public schools.

 

Not a single piece of data in either article deals with what I was talking about. What I've been saying is, the gap (in my view) seems to be widening between haves and have-nots in terms of educational achievement/performance. The meaningul data there, if there is such data (I can't really find it), would be to show how test scores (and/or other measures) have done in the well-off public schools, versus the poor public schools.

Let me try to say it better.

 

I agree with you that the gap between Mitt Romney's kids and any kids I have will be greater than the gap between George Romney's kids and my parents kids.

 

However, that gap is still small and should hopefully remain somewhat small. The big gap is between "average kid in a decent school" and "Kid in a poverty-stricken school".

 

If you bring the poverty-stricken schools up to the performance of "average kids in average schools", you've made a much bigger dent than if you try to close the gap between me and someone from Wall Street.

 

Of course, this reminds me of a Warren Buffet quote (I assume attributed correctly) I read somewhere this morning...to paraphrase...if you want to fix America's schools, ban private schools, and then have all school selections determined by a lottery. (Basically, you have wealthy people have a chance of having their kids wind up in failing schools...and that's the end of failing schools).

Tentative agreement reached

Tentative agreement reached

 

It's an extra $400 million out of the middle class workers pocket and that into the wealthy entitlement class. It also harms education, lacks legitimate evaluations and bad teachers are allowed to stay on the job indefinitely. A big loss for the city. But I knew it would happen.

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by mr_genius

It's an extra $400 million out of the middle class workers pocket and that into the wealthy entitlement class. It also harms education, lacks legitimate evaluations and bad teachers are allowed to stay on the job indefinitely. A big loss for the city. But I knew it would happen.

Did you just call teachers a "Wealthy entitlement class"?

teachers=

Did you just call teachers a "Wealthy entitlement class"?

 

they certainly are compared to 90% of the city.

Did you just call teachers a "Wealthy entitlement class"?

Yeah I was trying to figure that one out.

The .1% who have captured 90+% of the economic growth of the last 3 years were the teachers. Basic stuff, guys.

The .1% who have captured 90+% of the economic growth of the last 3 years were the teachers. Basic stuff, guys.

 

the teachers are as bad (maybe worse). they are the top 10% er's stealing from the poor. raising taxes on the poor guy who gets 15k a year and is barely making it. now it looks like another winter without heat for his family. but at least the teacher can get that new Range Rover now.

Teachers suck, but these posts are getting downright crazy.

Exactly.

 

edit: meant for mr. genius, not steve.

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by StrangeSox

Exactly.

 

that's cold hearted, StrangeSox.

 

 

that's cold hearted, StrangeSox.

teachers on payday:

 

i heard the city is thinking about implementing a new city income tax to pay for all this.

Edited September 14, 201213 yr by mr_genius

i heard the city is thinking about implementing a new city income tax to pay for all this.

And here I thought they'd just plant more money trees.