Bigsqwert,

 

There is another pretty famous example, Dunblane, Scotland, 16 students, 6 adults.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/world/europe/dunblane-lessons/

I'd love to see similar responses here in the states but that's likely a pipe dream.

So someone tried to massacre some people in Texas, he didn't get too far.

So someone tried to massacre some people in Texas, he didn't get too far.

 

Charles Whitman killed 16 and injured approximately 30. That was in Texas.

 

Not sure where you are going with this.

Charles Whitman killed 16 and injured approximately 30. That was in Texas.

 

Not sure where you are going with this.

he doesn't either.

Charles Whitman killed 16 and injured approximately 30. That was in Texas.

 

Not sure where you are going with this.

Austin, which is barely Texas.

Austin, which is barely Texas.

Austin, which is barely Texas.

 

Austin, Texas... is Texas??!?!?!?!?! Or am I missing something.

Austin, Texas... is Texas??!?!?!?!?! Or am I missing something.

 

He's going for the whole "Austin isn't really like the rest of Texas" thing.

Yeah, Austin is a liberal enclave in a sea of red.

Ah... people and their partisan views will never cease to amaze me. Bumblef***, IL is still IL contrary that IL is a blue state.

Ah... people and their partisan views will never cease to amaze me. Bumblef***, IL is still IL contrary that IL is a blue state.

 

Yeah, but southern IL has much more in common with IN, versus Chicago. That's just reality.

It's a valid point that you can't extrapolate what happens in Austin to the rest of Texas.

Yeah, Austin is a liberal enclave in a sea of red.

 

How are you familiar with Austin in 1966?

Yeah, but southern IL has much more in common with IN, versus Chicago. That's just reality.

 

I don't doubt that but can't that be said for most metropolitan areas versus the rural areas?

I don't doubt that but can't that be said for most metropolitan areas versus the rural areas?

 

And that was the original point. Austin is nothing like "Texas".

While you are all going down semantics hell, I think I should nudge people to the idea that it's still ridiculous that a gunman couldn't go on a spree in texas, and when shown one, arguing that that isn't texas. Arizona is very liberal with gun laws, yet saw a spree there with people with CCW. Many were still injured and killed.

You're absolutely right.

I just thought of something today. Part of the TV coverage of these horrible tragedies includes interviewing some of the caring parents of the victims. One dad had a press session and was crying and it of course broke my heart. This dad pretty much forgave the killer, as did a mom of one of the angels, who said she would not be bitter toward the killer.

 

There have to be some parents of the 20 angels who would love additional gun control and get some of these weapons of war/terror off the streets. I wonder how some of the loudmouths against gun control would treat such a parent in a debate situation. Would they try to speak over that parent like most of these "discussions" on Chris Matthews' show and O'Reilly's show or would they let the parent speak.

I mean, how the f*** can a human being argue with a mom or dad whose baby has been executed by weapons of terror???

 

Also, I think the mom, who was murdered, may be getting a bad rap. I watched an interview last night with 3 of her friends, one guy very upset that she was being characterized as a gun nut. He said she liked to go to the range, but didn't talk about it much, just said she enjoyed it. She also said how challenging it was to raise her son with his condition, but she didn't obsess about it. And another said she was such a nice person she'd hear about somebody in trouble and whip out her check book and try to help immediately.

 

These issues are complicated, but from what I saw in that interview of three people, the mom appeared to be a normal, nice, good person.

 

Finally, what is this about the kids all holding hands as they were shot and killed? Are more details out?? Did this killer have a mass execution where he didn't just fire away, but he was organized and had them all hold hands, etc? Makes me cry some more.

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There have to be some parents of the 20 angels who would love additional gun control and get some of these weapons of war/terror off the streets. I wonder how some of the loudmouths against gun control would treat such a parent in a debate situation. Would they try to speak over that parent like most of these "discussions" on Chris Matthews' show and O'Reilly's show or would they let the parent speak.

I mean, how the f*** can a human being argue with a mom or dad whose baby has been executed by weapons of terror???

 

Its pretty easy, I dont agree with the position but I can easily argue it.

 

"Look Mr. X, I love children, I love children so much that as we sit here I am destroyed inside. I am completely gutted. This is the worst tragedy that has ever happened in the United States. But we have to ask ourselves why did this tragedy occur? And the answer is that the children that we love so much are not being protected. If the principal had a tank, this would not have happened. If the school had Robocop, this would not have happened.

 

If you truly love children as much as I do, you will see that what we need is more law abiding citizens with weapons. The police can not stop every terrible crime before it happens. That is why we need citizens who can react to a situation like this and stop it before a single child gets hurt.

 

I love children so much, I just cant stand to let them be victims. As I say this I am getting worked up and angry, because these children just couldnt fight for themselves. We send them to schools where they have no protection, where they think they are safe, but its just a fallacy. We need more guns, its the only solution."

 

You don't love children at all, otherwise you'd be advocating to allow them to defend themselves instead of relying on nanny-state public school teachers.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012...3.php?ref=fpblg

 

Pretty interesting law from Colorado. This would be a great idea for matching funding from federal gov.

You don't love children at all, otherwise you'd be advocating to allow them to defend themselves instead of relying on nanny-state public school teachers.

 

Damn your you are right, why must I be so noncommital on my child loving.

Its pretty easy, I dont agree with the position but I can easily argue it.

 

"Look Mr. X, I love children, I love children so much that as we sit here I am destroyed inside. I am completely gutted. This is the worst tragedy that has ever happened in the United States. But we have to ask ourselves why did this tragedy occur? And the answer is that the children that we love so much are not being protected. If the principal had a tank, this would not have happened. If the school had Robocop, this would not have happened.

 

If you truly love children as much as I do, you will see that what we need is more law abiding citizens with weapons. The police can not stop every terrible crime before it happens. That is why we need citizens who can react to a situation like this and stop it before a single child gets hurt.

 

I love children so much, I just cant stand to let them be victims. As I say this I am getting worked up and angry, because these children just couldnt fight for themselves. We send them to schools where they have no protection, where they think they are safe, but its just a fallacy. We need more guns, its the only solution."

 

Not bad at all. Usually the pro gun people get all huffy, though, and are incapable of being calm like your response. It'd be interesting to see if they could realize that they are speaking to a parent of a child murdered and calm down and actually have a discussion or if they'd act like that parent is full of it.

While you are all going down semantics hell, I think I should nudge people to the idea that it's still ridiculous that a gunman couldn't go on a spree in texas, and when shown one, arguing that that isn't texas. Arizona is very liberal with gun laws, yet saw a spree there with people with CCW. Many were still injured and killed.

And had the guy with the nearest gun pulled the trigger, he would have shot the wrong person (by his own statement).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012...3.php?ref=fpblg

 

Pretty interesting law from Colorado. This would be a great idea for matching funding from federal gov.

Tennessee and Oklahoma are coming forwards today with plans to arm teachers and provide training. There's a guy in Tennessee being quoted who is saying he's surprised/disappointed it hasn't happened already.

 

The governor of Michigan received a bill, passed on Friday I believe (lame duck session rushing through Republican bills) that would have allowed guns in schools in that state, but today he has pledged to veto it because of that portion.