It's really hard to say it's UNLIKE any college football player on a big campus and football is king of the town. There could have been drugs or alcohol involved o on his end too, but it's not hard whatsoever to believe he raped her. It's really not. You can be the greatest guy in public and in front of a camera and still rape someone.

 

Regardless, I'm trying to look at what facts or at least information that is out there, and there's way too much smoke here. Rock already covered why it took so long to go public. And what difference does it make that the attorney threw stuff out today, as opposed to some other day? It's not like this is 10 years later.

What facts?

Winstons speech all about the incident. How dumb.

 

 

That was the last thing he needed to be talking about right now.

WTF?

 

I get that people think I'm an idiot for backing Winston, but what the hell else was he supposed to do? People are going to say and/or think things about him anyway. He handled that incredibly well. If his speech was "all about the incident" then you're hearing what you want to hear.

 

He brings up the allegations, he's dumb. If he doesn't say a thing about it, he's going to get ripped for ignoring it.

 

That's ridiculous.

 

What facts?

EXACTLY.

If you're him you get as far away as possible from the incident and never bring it up again. See any athlete involved in something similar ever. His shadow agent should know better.

What facts?

There is a police and medical report.

There is a police and medical report.

A police report with all different accounts and a medical report that indicates they had sex and had no indications of rape. It isn't like she came in all beat up with indications of force. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it, but I don't know what info was out there that clearly supported him being charged. I will say, I haven't followed and read a bunch of blogs, I"ve just seen what has been on the tv news but there was nothing I heard that supported rape.

There is a police and medical report.

And the fact that she made a ton of phone calls immediately afterwards.

 

A police report with all different accounts and a medical report that indicates they had sex and had no indications of rape. It isn't like she came in all beat up with indications of force. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it, but I don't know what info was out there that clearly supported him being charged. I will say, I haven't followed and read a bunch of blogs, I"ve just seen what has been on the tv news but there was nothing I heard that supported rape.

And a medical report where they for whatever reason redacted a bunch of things from the original report before presenting it to the media.

 

She did come in bruised, that much was on there.

Aj McCarron in second shows how laughable the voting is.

No kidding. So glad he's graduated and we can move on to the next "He just wins" QB

And the fact that she made a ton of phone calls immediately afterwards.

 

 

And a medical report where they for whatever reason redacted a bunch of things from the original report before presenting it to the media.

 

She did come in bruised, that much was on there.

 

Yeah, if nothing else, it is heinous that they didn't let a jury decide on this

A police report with all different accounts and a medical report that indicates they had sex and had no indications of rape. It isn't like she came in all beat up with indications of force. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it, but I don't know what info was out there that clearly supported him being charged. I will say, I haven't followed and read a bunch of blogs, I"ve just seen what has been on the tv news but there was nothing I heard that supported rape.

There are opinions from the nurse that examined her that pointed towards rape, plus the blood and bruising.

There are opinions from the nurse that examined her that pointed towards rape, plus the blood and bruising.

Well, this appears to have been much worse than most of the details I saw in the media.

Well, this appears to have been much worse than most of the details I saw in the media.

 

This is why it sucks that the DA decided on the lack of guilt in a quite unclear case

So many things that don't even need to be said in response to this statement, smh.

 

Nice passive agressive response there. Go ahead and say it, so you can lose that argument again.

 

Nice passive agressive response there. Go ahead and say it, so you can lose that argument again.

Everyone but blind ND fans realize what has gone on at ND. So for you to talk about Winston is absolutely hilarious.

Everyone but blind ND fans realize what has gone on at ND. So for you to talk about Winston is absolutely hilarious.

 

I know exactly what went on at ND. I've seen the police report. For you to talk about it just makes you look like a hater-asshole.

 

There is nothing similar at all about the two cases.

 

Winston is making me want to root for an SEC team in the championship game, and I didn't think that was possible.

 

You've already gone on record about how much you hate FSU. I'm pretty sure you were going to be rooting against them regardless of Winston and his situation.

You've already gone on record about how much you hate FSU. I'm pretty sure you were going to be rooting against them regardless of Winston and his situation.

 

Since Bowden is no longer there, I probably would have preferred FSU over Auburn.

This is why it sucks that the DA decided on the lack of guilt in a quite unclear case

"Quite unclear" in a rape case is not a case you bring.

 

However, if there were reports of injuries, this seems like a case that even if it's tough to bring, could have been outlined for the court of public opinion. Spell your rationale out in a respectful way (which I've heard did not happen at all) and let society judge the evidence available. That's what they did with Rapelisberger.

I know exactly what went on at ND. I've seen the police report. For you to talk about it just makes you look like a hater-asshole.

 

There is nothing similar at all about the two cases.

Lol. You think that proves anything? I give a crap you saw it. You already showed your colors when you tried to claim she snapped randomly and killed herself.

 

You're a blind nd fan boy, everyone else is a hater.

Lol. You think that proves anything? I give a crap you saw it. You already showed your colors when you tried to claim she snapped randomly and killed herself.

 

You're a blind nd fan boy, everyone else is a hater.

 

She didn't snap 'randomly' she had a history of depression. There was also no witness and no physical evidence, two things the Winston case has plenty of.

 

You're the one who is blind, but I guess to be an Illini fan that goes without saying.

 

She didn't snap 'randomly' she had a history of depression. There was also no witness and no physical evidence, two things the Winston case has plenty of.

 

You're the one who is blind, but I guess to be an Illini fan that goes without saying.

And people really wonder why everyone hates nd and their fans.

 

We may suck at football, but at least my football program hasn't contributed to two student deaths.

And people really wonder why everyone hates nd and their fans.

 

We may suck at football, but at least my football program hasn't contributed to two student deaths.

 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-11...-carle-hospital

 

Only because the shooter sucked at hitting his targets.

 

Of course, I don't bring this incident up every time somebody mentions Illinois. Only assholes do stuff like that.

Edited December 16, 201312 yr by HickoryHuskers

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-11...-carle-hospital

 

Only because the shooter sucked at hitting his targets.

 

Of course, I don't bring this incident up every time somebody mentions Illinois. Only assholes do stuff like that.

Hahahaha, now you're desperate.

 

I think the Teo hoax needs more investigation and crying over.

Edited December 16, 201312 yr by IlliniKrush

Hahahaha, now you're desperate.

 

I'm desperate? A bunch of players start a fight that ends up in three people getting shot? But that's not worse than one player fondling a girl's boob??

 

Very bizarre standards you have there.

I'm desperate? A bunch of players start a fight that ends up in three people getting shot? But that's not worse than one player fondling a girl's boob??

 

Very bizarre standards you have there.

She killed herself due to it and the inaction afterwards, so my standards always have death as the worst possible outcome.

I think this thread has embodied the very worst of sports. Pages and pages of defending despicable behavior because the perpetrator plays sports on x favorite team.