That's almost as much as Michael Jordan was paid in his heyday.

 

Dump his contract, stat.

Remarkable. I can't believe KW made him the highest paid player in baseball and still kept his job.

 

He's not owed $27M?

Remarkable. I can't believe KW made him the highest paid player in baseball and still kept his job.

 

 

That's almost as much as Michael Jordan was paid in his heyday.

 

Dump his contract, stat.

 

 

He's not owed $27M?

 

Why are you all pretending not to understand each other? They are clearly pointing out that there's a big difference between being owed $27m and being owed $27m over several years. Marty is clearly trying to say that $7m per year doesn't seem like much, but that it adds up to a lot of resources over time.

Why are you all pretending not to understand each other? They are clearly pointing out that there's a big difference between being owed $27m and being owed $27m over several years. Marty is clearly trying to say that $7m per year doesn't seem like much, but that it adds up to a lot of resources over time.

Because Marty is deliberately refusing to acknowledge that it's over 3 years to try to make it sound worse than it is.

 

$27 million sounds like a big number, but over the next 3 years, the White Sox are likely to spend something like $350 million on salary. He's just repeating $27 million and expecting us to be shocked, and I'm seeing if he was honest enough to even acknowledge that it's spread over multiple years. I got my answer.

It's like political discussions. "You're going to spend $5 billion on WHAT???" Brb, <.01 of federal budget.>

Because Marty is deliberately refusing to acknowledge that it's over 3 years to try to make it sound worse than it is.

 

$27 million sounds like a big number, but over the next 3 years, the White Sox are likely to spend something like $350 million on salary. He's just repeating $27 million and expecting us to be shocked, and I'm seeing if he was honest enough to even acknowledge that it's spread over multiple years. I got my answer.

 

I agree with you. I just figured we could avoid three more series of one-to-five word Marty posts that danced around the point.

 

Surprisingly, he's not arguing $36.5 million over 4 years.

 

Of course, that would mean acknowledging that the White Sox would still want to exercise that club option in 2016, lol.

 

Not very far off from what Adam Dunn will be making for only two years to just hit the ball and not even play the most important position on the field after catcher.

Edited March 15, 201313 yr by caulfield12

Tackles for punters doesn't equate to good fielding shortstops who aren't good offensively.

If that's the case, and you think the basis of the analogy is poor, then you should have quibbled with the analogy, not used the analogy to prove a useless point.

Marty is clearly trying to say that $7m per year doesn't seem like much, but that it adds up to a lot of resources over time.

 

This is a stupid point though.

Because Marty is deliberately refusing to acknowledge that it's over 3 years to try to make it sound worse than it is.

 

$27 million sounds like a big number, but over the next 3 years, the White Sox are likely to spend something like $350 million on salary. He's just repeating $27 million and expecting us to be shocked, and I'm seeing if he was honest enough to even acknowledge that it's spread over multiple years. I got my answer.

 

We know Ramirez is owed $27M. We don't know what the Sox total payroll will be from '13-15, yet you pulled a number out of thin air and you're accusing me of being deliberately misleading.

This is a stupid point though.

 

How so?

We know Ramirez is owed $27M. We don't know what the Sox total payroll will be from '13-15, yet you pulled a number out of thin air and you're accusing me of being deliberately misleading.

A $350 million total payroll is an entirely reasonable estimate. That basically assumes the Sox spend waht they spend this year...and of course, every team in MLB gets another $25 million starting next year from the new national TV deal, so it's much more likely to be an underestimate than an overestimate.

 

They also spent $355 million in 2011-2013.

 

Which means, the starting SS is getting about 7.7% of the payroll or less. And I'm supposed to be scared because you repeat big numbers.

A $350 million total payroll is an entirely reasonable estimate. That basically assumes the Sox spend waht they spend this year...and of course, every team in MLB gets another $25 million starting next year from the new national TV deal, so it's much more likely to be an underestimate than an overestimate.

 

They also spent $355 million in 2011-2013.

 

Which means, the starting SS is getting about 7.7% of the payroll or less. And I'm supposed to be scared because you repeat big numbers.

 

A declining Ramirez at 7.7% of the payroll for a team that I believe is facing a rebuild is not worth keeping.

 

A declining Ramirez at 7.7% of the payroll for a team that I believe is facing a rebuild is not worth keeping.

 

If Sox management were to decide that, Ramirez has a tradeable contract.

If Sox management were to decide that, Ramirez has a tradeable contract.

If he gets his OPS in the low .700 range, he's tradable without any problems. If he repeats his 2012 offensive performance, then he'll be more difficult to move, but I think there would still be one team that would take him off your hands for free. I'm pretty confident he'll rebound, so I'm not really worried.

 

Also I mentioned this week ago, but Stephen Drew just got $9.5 million coming off a zero WAR season. There are always teams that need SSs and are will to overpay in terms of money or talent to get one. Unless Alexei's defense suddenly disappears, he'll always have some value.

If he gets his OPS in the low .700 range, he's tradable without any problems. If he repeats his 2012 offensive performance, then he'll be more difficult to move, but I think there would still be one team that would take him off your hands for free. I'm pretty confident he'll rebound, so I'm not really worried.

 

Also I mentioned this week ago, but Stephen Drew just got $9.5 million coming off a zero WAR season. There are always teams that need SSs and are will to overpay in terms of money or talent to get one. Unless Alexei's defense suddenly disappears, he'll always have some value.

 

Just for fun, do you think there was a team this offseason who would have taken that contract? I don't think there was.

Just for fun, do you think there was a team this offseason who would have taken that contract? I don't think there was.

For God's sake, Stephen Drew signed a 1 year, $9.5 million deal with the Red Sox. He put up a .657 OPS last year and hasn't played 100 games in 2 years.

Just for fun, do you think there was a team this offseason who would have taken that contract? I don't think there was.

 

This is just not true. Did you see what Arizona gave up for Cliff Pennington? $7m per year for an even league average SS is valuable, and Alexei was above league average even in his worst offensive season.

Just for fun, do you think there was a team this offseason who would have taken that contract? I don't think there was.

Without question I think the Red Sox would have taken him off our hands. I'm not saying the White Sox would get anything in return, but I'm sure they could dump the contract if they wanted to.

If he gets his OPS in the low .700 range, he's tradable without any problems. If he repeats his 2012 offensive performance, then he'll be more difficult to move, but I think there would still be one team that would take him off your hands for free. I'm pretty confident he'll rebound, so I'm not really worried.

 

Also I mentioned this week ago, but Stephen Drew just got $9.5 million coming off a zero WAR season. There are always teams that need SSs and are will to overpay in terms of money or talent to get one. Unless Alexei's defense suddenly disappears, he'll always have some value.

 

SSs are so far in demand it isn't even funny. The Drew signing is a pretty clear indicator that we could probably get a real prospect for Alexei if we dealt him now.

Just for fun, do you think there was a team this offseason who would have taken that contract? I don't think there was.

 

Absolutely yes. No doubt in my mind. And we would have gotten a decent return for him.

Steven Drew at 9.5M probably shows there wasn't a market for Ramirez.

Steven Drew at 9.5M probably shows there wasn't a market for Ramirez.

 

That makes no sense, at all.

That makes no sense, at all.

 

A team would rather pay Drew $9.5M than trade for Ramirez and pay him $27M.