What does Sabremetrics tell you that you can't find from the stats on the back of baseball cards.

Well unless they've started putting microchips on the backs of baseball cards since I collected them, I'd say a lot.

 

Advanced metrics includes getting a lot more raw data, but more so is about different lenses to see the data. From the perspective of a statistician (not baseball, but in general), this stuff isn't even very complex. It is elementary analysis techniques. Filter out pollution and noise to give a more meaningful answer to a question. This isn't wizardry.

 

Well unless they've started putting microchips on the backs of baseball cards since I collected them, I'd say a lot.

 

Advanced metrics includes getting a lot more raw data, but more so is about different lenses to see the data. From the perspective of a statistician (not baseball, but in general), this stuff isn't even very complex. It is elementary analysis techniques. Filter out pollution and noise to give a more meaningful answer to a question. This isn't wizardry.

 

can I have an example?

Well unless they've started putting microchips on the backs of baseball cards since I collected them, I'd say a lot.

 

Advanced metrics includes getting a lot more raw data, but more so is about different lenses to see the data. From the perspective of a statistician (not baseball, but in general), this stuff isn't even very complex. It is elementary analysis techniques. Filter out pollution and noise to give a more meaningful answer to a question. This isn't wizardry.

 

I have no idea what you just said but it sounds scary and gimmicky.

can I have an example?

 

and there it is. SS2K5, you owe me 5 dollars

can I have an example?

Of wizardry? Here ya go...

 

 

Of what isn't on the back of a baseball card? How about ANYTHING meaningful about defense.

 

I have no idea what you just said but it sounds scary and gimmicky.

 

it feels bootlegged

and there it is. SS2K5, you owe me 5 dollars

 

God I hate you.

Of wizardry? Here ya go...

 

 

Of what isn't on the back of a baseball card? How about ANYTHING meaningful about defense.

 

No example, just a lot of hot air from the Sabermetricians.

No example, just a lot of hot air from the Sabermetricians.

Defense. You know, that part of the game not hitting for position players? Or do you think that defense doesn't actually exist, or is simply hot air?

 

No example, just a lot of hot air from the Sabermetricians.

 

they have been giving you examples for months. You just refuse to acknowledge them

Defense. You know, that part of the game not hitting for position players? Or do you think that defense doesn't actually exist, or is simply hot air?

Rafael Palmeiro's 1999 season was one of the greatest defensive seasons in history by a 1b according to my baseball card.

Defense. You know, that part of the game not hitting for position players? Or do you think that defense doesn't actually exist, or is simply hot air?

 

Defense is a statistic that Sabremetricians made up. Wonderful.

No example, just a lot of hot air from the Sabermetricians.

 

Player A - .263 BA, 41 HR, 114 RBI, 96 R, 5 SB, 4 CS

Player B - .276 BA, 28 HR, 66 RBI, 75 R, 5 SB, 0 CS

 

There are only very minor differences in era here. Please tell me which of these back of the baseball card players you would prefer to have on your team. One of them was a notorious abuser of PEDs while the other was merely suspected.

 

 

Rafael Palmeiro's 1999 season was one of the greatest defensive seasons in history by a 1b according to my baseball card.

 

He gut lucky. Sabremetricians know all about that.

Player A - .263 BA, 41 HR, 114 RBI, 96 R, 5 SB, 4 CS

Player B - .276 BA, 28 HR, 66 RBI, 75 R, 5 SB, 0 CS

 

Those are not all of the statistics on the back of the card.

He gut lucky. Sabremetricians know all about that.

 

Must have talked to the right sportswriters then.

Those are not all of the statistics on the back of the card.

 

Surely you can't be talking about walks and strikeouts, can you? Those are tomfoolery samerfetrics!

Hell of a thread, everyone. There's so much useful conversation in here.

Hell of a thread, everyone. There's so much useful conversation in here.

 

Adam Dunn - 100 years, the planet of Mars

Those are not all of the statistics on the back of the card.

So you're missing at bats, doubles, triples, and games played?

Surely you can't be talking about walks and strikeouts, can you? Those are tomfoolery samerfetrics!

 

Sabremetricians discovered the walk!

Hell of a thread, everyone. There's so much useful conversation in here.

 

gotta talk about something in the downtime, so we might as well argue the worth of sabermetric stats. It isnt like we just heard Chris Sale is starting tomorrow

So you're missing at bats, doubles, triples, and games played?

 

D.O.B. too.

Sabremetricians discovered the walk!

 

You are correct on this statement, they did not. However, they were the first ones to properly value the walk. Remember when Steve Garvey won the MVP in 1974 with 31 walks but a .312 average, while his teammate Jimmy Wynn hit for a .271 average but walked 108 times?

 

So, obviously if you are valuing walks properly, you do not believe sabermetrics to be a gimmick. If you are suggesting otherwise, please choose one of the two players I have provided. Here is the post again for your reference.

 

 

Player A - .263 BA, 41 HR, 114 RBI, 96 R, 5 SB, 4 CS

Player B - .276 BA, 28 HR, 66 RBI, 75 R, 5 SB, 0 CS

 

There are only very minor differences in era here. Please tell me which of these back of the baseball card players you would prefer to have on your team. One of them was a notorious abuser of PEDs while the other was merely suspected.

 

Defense is a statistic that Sabremetricians made up. Wonderful.

Can't believe I got drawn into this. You are so obviously trolling.