WestEddy

I keep reading the title of this thread as the Rays partnering with the Pixies' bassist Kim Deal to boost payroll.

Apparently, the Reds were talking Robert trade up until they signed Hays. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6098787/2025/01/30/reds-white-sox-luis-robert-pujols/?source=user_shared_article

Nobody's asking to trade places. The Sox have developed multiple ace-level pitchers in the recent past. Baltimore can't. They'll be trading places soon enough.

Return was fine. Could have been better.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, and I have a feeling you agree with me on that. Other teams having good farm systems doesn't negate the Sox stepping up and updating their methods. KC and Detroit have sucked for a decade. They better have good farm systems.

Guy barreled in, and basically said that any advancements the Sox are making, everybody's already been doing that. You can't win without good pitching. The Sox have been able to draft and develop good pitching. They've now decided to tighten their focus on developing good pitching. Baltimore hasn't developed an ace-level pitcher this century. As far as their depth chart, it's great to be able to draft top 5 for multiple years in a row. They made it work. After Kjerstad, Mayo and Basallo, they're pretty thin. In the 90's, Cleveland developed and seeded in Sandy Alomar, Jim Thome, Omar Vizquel, Belle, Lofton, Manny. Then, when those guys started leaving, they had Brian Giles and Richie Sexson ready to step up. Then Victor Martinez and Grady Sizemore. Baltimore seems to have one class, then 4th OFs. If you haven't realized it, yet, all baseball players grow old and retire. Some hit their prime and regress. It's not a bad thing to trade or let them walk if you have a steady stream of good pitching prospects. Lucas Giolito hasn't helped anybody make the post-season, post-Sox.

2023 was also kind of about that, too. Somebody here thinks Baltimore, and every other team are running circles around us on all fronts, and Baltimore hasn't even developed an ace level pitcher this century. Buehrle, Sale, Cease, Crochet vs. ...... Kevin Gausman???

Caulfield implied that we will all be waiting around to see if the Padres get a better return for Cease than they gave up. I won't be. Does that shame you, somehow?

Nope. I love following a successful rebuild. See you at the parade.

You and the lump lumps will care. Normal people don't scour the internet looking for something to feel shame over. We got a good, albeit light return for Cease.

Weird how Baltimore "spends on things like this all the time", and they still can't develop an ace pitcher or two. I mean, Mike Mussina was probably the last true "ace" they developed. Maybe the Sox aren't so behind the rest of the league.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/matt-seidler-files-response-to-sheel-seidler-lawsuit.html

Considering the reception Reinsdorf got, they probably didn't want projectiles in people's hands.

You have no standing to say a person commits abuse on their partner. Unless you're saying they told you. Then you would have to present any evidence of that. You're pretending Ms. Finestead (and other women Finestead alluded to) made up her story, produced pictures of somebody else's bruises, when she actually submitted all of that under oath during an investigation. If you made that accusation, and couldn't back it up with evidence, you could be found liable for slander. Ms. Finestead made the accusation, then presented evidence under oath. That holds much more weight than the ridiculous claim you're making.

MLB investigated Clevenger, and I believe that Finestead participated in that investigation. There was no court case. A big part of her claim was that she left with their kid, and he won't give her access to retrieve hers and her child's property that is at his house.

You, and a few others refuse to acknowledge that most crimes are not prosecuted or even reported. Not reporting a crime, or law enforcement deciding to not commit resources to pursuing a case they probably won't win in court - does not mean that the crime didn't happen. Yes, anybody can accuse anybody else of anything. In your example, you would then have to present any evidence that whomever you're accusing has abused their spouse. Olivia Finestead has photographs of bruises; she has told a full, detailed story consistently, and under oath to investigators. She told friends at the time, and they corroborated the consistency of her story. So do you have any evidence close to what Ms. Finestead had to prove your ridiculous accusation that somebody here "beats their wife"? If you don't, then most sane people would consider the case closed. Law enforcement wouldn't pursue because you don't have standing to file any charges. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a tenet for our justice system to attain. It does not mean that if you witness somebody committing a crime, you have to pretend they didn't and lie about it until a court finds them guilty. Of course, you will ignore all of this, or descend down an idiot hole, making even more wild examples. Either you're trolling for attention, or you think partner abuse is funny, unserious, or both.

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And again, if you think this is funny, f*** You. GTFOH with that s%*#.

Why are you saying "falsely accused"? Please tell us what you know about this case that completely exonerates Clevenger. If you say that MLB "completely exonerated him", you're lying. MLB is not a court of law. As an employer, they can only conclude that whatever evidence exists does not clear the bar for further suspension. There are women in my life who decided to not pursue rape charges because they knew that it would be her word against his. Again, to keep repeating the same stupidity says to me that you have no respect for the word of women.

Clevenger's a jagoff. He probably won't pitch in MLB again, and that's great for the people of Earth. His name wasn't cleared. The more you defend this guy, the more I think you think women should get beat up, and then shut up. Seriously, if you're such an incel that you take the side of a serial abuser, then maybe you should stop typing, and try to meet some women who would tolerate you until you pick up a clue from them about how people should treat each other.

Okay, sure. I'll agree to that.

Or c) The Sox knew they were in trouble. There was no starting rotation or bullpen. They thought that plugging a few holes could get them in the same zip code of .500 where they could claim "roll of the dice", but the wheels fell off in the first 11 games, the axles then fell off, then Mad Max road pirates took anything else they had.

I don't need to wade into that idiocy. Is baseball at such a nadir of things to complain about that you have to make multiple posts complaining about who clicks an emoji on other people's comments?

I don't believe a team that suffers injuries and misfortune and loses a lot of games deserves "mockery". That's not a "weird" opinion. Claiming that a certain player was clearly obtainable in a trade without even knowing what was offered - to the point where multiple people actively make fun of that - that's more what a laughingstock is.

What in the world are you even going on about? If somebody quotes a Nazi to burnish their own misguided anti-vaxxer BS, don't defend them. That's a pretty simple rule to live by.