WestEddy

A large part of it has. Quero has made the jump to the bigs, and didn't put up a .375 OPS. He hit. Sure, he still needs to grow into the different corners of his prospect, but he's no longer a complete unknown prospect. His gap power will expand as he grows up. I think Quero has a lot more value than the top AAA catching prospect who still hasn't played a game in the bigs. Sure, Quero putting up a very solid full season offensively and defensively would increase his value, but you're going to burn a cheap pre-arb year getting to that value. It's a limited market. A team who doesn't see themselves ready this season, but having the spot for Quero to grow into - may not want to wait a year to pay more for him. This is mostly academic, as I don't think Getz is going to move Quero or Teel for anything short of a monster return relative to their respective values.

I don't think he would. I'm arguing with the notion that moving Quero would be "selling low". (I don't want them to trade Quero.)

That's my contention. Quero's played half a season in the bigs and held his own, offensively. Robo-umps take away his biggest drawback, and if a team doesn't think they can teach a first year catcher how to block better, they should sign Grandal. Quero's a top prospect who hasn't been exposed by MLB pitching. 6 years of control of what looks like a solid starter. That's not "selling low".

Sure it is. Especially after making multiple comments about 'getting back into the Asian market'. It would be incredibly stupid to pay a scout to watch baseball games in Japan just to be able to "say" something. That's great that you will wait for 'results' until you stop tagging onto every comment that statements are BS. Something tells me those goalposts have wheels on them. They always do.

Here's what you said: "The Sox haven't even tried to get into the Pacific rim baseball market since then. I seriously doubt they are going to start that now." My post was in response to yours. They declared that they intend to get more serious in the Asian market, and they have scouts looking at one of the prime offensive guys this offseason. But you're right. Being a doubting Thomas is meaningless, and not really an argument about anything.

Mike's a nice guy, but it's a blog with either "here's something that's been reported", or "here's something the Sox should consider doing" articles. There's no original reporting. And there's about a half dozen platforms that do that. Bleacher Report, Fansided, SportsMockery.

I think a lot of Japanese players have. Once they get a steady diet, their eye speeds up.

They have been making public statements about their interest in getting back into the Asian market, as soon as this off-season.

I think one of the free agent predictions lists by MLBTR or somebody had one writer of four pick the Sox for Okamoto.

What part? The "met up with Fuller" or the "3 most recent seasons" part? Fuller did seem to pull him back from the abyss of a horrible season, and I think the Sox saw an opportunity to get a bounce back guy cheap. Hey, if a team knows they're going to only shop in the bins by the back door, why not grab the guy you know the most about first before everyone gets grabbed up and you're looking through lists for a guy who *might* have a comeback in him?

I've read it surmised between $90M-$100M.

Sure, but since he met up with Fuller, he's been producing right around 20% better than the average major league rate, and that's the 3 most recent full seasons.

That's not a bad comparison, but O'Hearn seems to be more steady over the season, whereas Sheets seems to get "found out", and then has to be protected a bit.

Me too. I think Mason Adams is the only guy on which we disagree, and I'm with James Fox that he's just the kind of guy a team would grab up and stow, if they wanted a #4-#5 rotation guy end of the year. It's more about who is at risk of getting picked, not who would you miss. Every team has a bunch of guys who throw hard but not for strikes, so they wouldn't be grabbing one of ours to tie up a roster spot with all year.

Older SoxMachine article where they ponder the Rule 5 issues: https://soxmachine.com/2025/09/white-sox-40-man-roster-has-room-for-all-necessary-offseason-moves-and-then-some

New MLB.com article on the toughest 40-man decisions for each team: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/toughest-rule-5-draft-decisions-2025?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Good for them. Probably the least surprising signing this off-season.

You're the one saying that makes me better than you, and I appreciate that. But pretending everything you read is an outright lie is just the other side of the same coin as believing everything. What existed was bad. What is going on now is different. That's better than bad. So yes you have seen better. I guess that's why you think I'm better because I'm different. We'll see if Reinsdorf blows up this rebuild a year before selling to Ishbia. That would be really mean.

I sure hope you find these people who are saying that the last 3 years didn't happen and say all your stuff to them. I've pretty much stopped paying attention to the teams I felt "kicked in the nuts" by. At some point, it's gotta be like the bear tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "...you're not really in this for the hunting, are you?" The front office situation is different. If you don't recognize a different attitude, that's on you. We'll see what happens if Colson Montgomery hits a months long slump, or Jacob Gonzalez can't hack the bigs, but I get the impression they're not going to run a first rounder out there for 5 years who can't even produce at the major league average.

And they're not following the "Royals' model". They picked an assistant who is into the types of tech and stats-based coaching techniques the Sox are delving into, now. The Royals just did have pretty good success bringing a pitching staff along, and Bove was part of that. And really, targeting and over-paying Yankee coaching cast-offs would be as bad as what you suggest the White Sox are still doing with Royals' employees, which they aren't.

It's a good thing they changed up the front office after the first of those 3 seasons when they recognized they were about to bottom out. Again, criticize the hires all you want. This convo was more aimed at the drive-bys that reason that a Royal resume spot ties into a decade old, intentional copying of another organization, where all of the decision makers are gone. Having "heard it all before" or being angry over losing doesn't somehow make pallid, wrong arguments magically factual.