WestEddy

And I'm sure he decided to stop helping that Nigerian General get those millions of dollars in gold bars out of the country once his bank account had been emptied. LOL.

I would like anybody to make one. Picking on me for not hating Martin Maldonado enough isn't criticizing the GM.

Is saying that I'd like him to aspire to be a 4th OF "over the top positive"? Why would I acknowledge a trade is bad when I don't think it was a bad trade? What you're describing is group think. The guy who paid for Michael Reinsdorf's first year and a half at George Washington University and his little Mini-Me don't seem to be able to break out of that.

This isn't you criticizing the state of the franchise. This is you being pissy because I choose to think for myself, instead of parroting the same things you and your little buddy keep repeating to impress each other.

I really want you to complain about the state of the franchise. Do you understand that sentence? I fully support you in doing that. Let me know when you're going to start. Telling me that you find me rooting for a minor leaguer to aspire to being a 4th OF in the bigs to be hilarious isn't you complaining about the state of the franchise. It's you making up things to impress people whose opinions mean so much to you. So please, guy who paid for Jerry Reinsdorf's last $80k pair of shoes, please, please, please complain about the state of the franchise. I promise I will click on "thank you" emojis when you do it, just to show you how much I want you to actually complain about the state of the franchise, and not just whine that everybody else isn't as miserable as you are.

Of course, you called the Crochet trade good when it happened. That's like pointing at a car and calling it a car. Wow, good work noticing and acknowledging something that's obvious. But even then, you try to take credit away from Getz by saying "even Getz can get a good return for an ace with control". Your (incorrect) view on the Cease trade shows that you don't feel that "even Getz can get a good return for an ace with control". The Bummer trade was good. They got Soroka to work on and possibly fill an open rotation spot. They got a bullpen arm in Shuster, and a good pitching prospect in Gowens. Lopez made what he was worth, and looking at Shewmake being passed around the waiver wire shows that a guy with options who can play shortstop has value. The fact that Lopez played replacement level IF, and Soroka was injured at the TDL doesn't make it a "bad" trade. The Santos trade was good. Berroa has closer upside, and the draft pick turned into Blake Larson. The Fletcher trade was good at the time, trading from pitching depth for an outfielder. McCarthy or Fletcher was really a coin flip at the time. Fletcher was the better fielder. The DeJong, Eloy, Grossman and Banks trades were all good. I've explained my take on the Fedde trade. I think he got overwhelmed and was misled by the Dodgers. That trade was a prospect short. I'd like to see two of the three players recover from their injuries before I declare them to be sub-human, and Getz a complete failure. I also consider that the pro-scouting department was in flux, and who knows what info he was getting. The Cease trade was underwhelming, but the timing was tough, and Cease was coming off of a season where nobody knew which direction his career was heading. So, out of Getz's entire tenure, I'd say he made one "bad" trade, one underwhelming trade, and a couple that just didn't work out as intended. Those where he swapped equal non-entities, neither of whom worked out, are meaningless. You choose to rail on about Thompson for Horn or validate your initial take with 20/20 hindsight.

Whatever. Most of what I've read about Zavala has him in CF. One rant by Keith Law doesn't change that. The fact that the guy who gave JR $80k of his hard earned money could only find one article from over a year ago supports my assertion. But hey, pretend to be dunking on me over...still being right.

The jury's still out on Vargas. I think Getz was probably overwhelmed by the TDL, then lied to by the Dodgers about Vargas' health. The other two players still exist, also. Trading from pitching prospect depth to bring in outfielders, or live bullpen arms is reasonable. If the player doesn't work out, that doesn't automatically mean the trade was a failure from the day he made it. You're not showing you're a fair evaluator by pointing out that you didn't pull your usual nonsense on the Crochet trade. That was a very good return that took time and ability to pull off. Your own attitude about the Cease trade shows that the market, and timing can affect the return. I think the Bummer, Santos and Fletcher trades were reasonable., but you know all of this. Just because I don't rail on about Martin Maldonado every single day, in every thread doesn't mean that I kiss my 8x10 signed glossy photo of Chris Getz every night and silently thank him for signing Martin Maldonado.

Sure. Maldonado was useless, but I understand why they brought him in. Clevenger was a disaster. Getz probably got overwhelmed with the Fedde trade and didn't hold out for the extra prospect. I'm not going to pretend that Cristian Mena or Matt Thompson were sure fire Cy Young candidates in order to criticize. I think he fell in love with the idea of signing rehabbing relievers last year, and wound up releasing all of them. Guys not working out isn't a "mistake". Last year's pitching plan didn't work out, but the more important job is modernizing the whole organization.

And Getz decided that Fajardo and Combs were reasonable prices for bullpen arms, but they suddenly became future hall-of-famers in your eyes as soon as they left the organization. We all know that if DeLoach was claimed by another team, or traded for a bullpen arm, you and Caulfield would be sitting shiva for him right now. You make zero sense when you fall over yourself to declare every move a failure. (Of course you had to admit the Crochet trade was a good deal, lest you look certifiably insane complaining about that one.)

I'm glad for you that you did, and sorry for you that the enjoyment went away. I'm good for up to 3 games a year, one with my friends, one with my nephews, and maybe another with the wife, if she's into it. I think for myself just fine. I did, just there, when I said I'm rooting for DeLoach to pull it together, and be a worthy sub. You saying you're pretending to be laughing at me really has no influence on how I feel about this team or its players. You and your little WS23 buddy desperately looking for approval by tagging onto every scolding session and pretending to be having uncontrollable fits of laughter seem to be not thinking for one's self. And for anyone who is going to pile on and accuse me of having a problem with how other people think, I don't and didn't. I said, "No harm, no foul. I still like DeLoach as a 4th OF, or something", and Caulfield lectured me on how I should only be wanting "stars" on this team, Dick Allen accused me of "love" that he finds "hysterical", and WS23 indicated he's laughing at me being "excited" that DeLoach passed through waivers. Also note how I didn't tell any of these three that they should be rooting for him, buying tickets, or otherwise being positive about this team. All I did was reiterate my original comment for those pretending I said something else. The end.

Oh well. I guess I'll go have myself a good cry. The point is to keep signing, drafting and trading for CFs, SSs and Catchers. Most of them move to other positions.

And seriously, what, honest-to-God, has me rolling on the sidewalk, gasping for breath I'm laughing so hard, is that you probably spent around $44,000 over 22 years on something that makes you so miserable. Just on tickets, mind you. And then drop $20 a game on a beer and a hot dog, that's another $36,600. Eighty Thousand dollars you crawled over and stuck between Jerry Reinsdorf's toes after you lovingly kissed each and every one of them, and you have the balls to pretend to be laughing at me for rooting for Zach DeLoach to pull it all together and one day be a 4th OF? Yes, everyone who criticizes me for thinking I'm smarter than everyone, I'm smarter than this guy.

I really can't fathom the deep desperation for validation from strangers you guys live in your daily rants about how everybody else should think about their baseball team. I get lectured for thinking I'm smarter than everyone, but really, how smart does a person have to be to understand you guys are literally making things up to criticize me over? This is the quote you guys are pretending is somebody "in love", "excited", or projecting him as a star:

Love? I think the funniest part is that you guys have to pretend people who don't agree with you are "in love" and "lick boots" when they won't join your misery coven. I'm a Sox fan. I would like to see a trade work out. I seem to remember you having a protracted man-crush on Pedro Grifol. Are you at the "eat a gallon of ice cream when another team hires him" phase, yet?

I agree. He should grow up. I haven't found any prospect write-up that says he's not a CF.

Nobody is saying to move Robert into a corner, now. I clearly stated that when Robert was a prospect, people who wrote about prospects said that about him. Is there another poster with the same name you're having a different conversation with? You seem so desperate to s%*#-post on Zavala, you're making up things to argue with. I agree with you that the jury's still out on Zavala. Mostly because he's a 19-year-old in A-ball, and the jury's still out on every 19-year-old in A-ball or lower. Maybe the White Sox should trade or cut Zavala, then Zavala will rise to the level of top prospect for you and WS23, and you'll start arguing that surely he was the team's answer in CF for the next decade. LOL.

I called DeLoach a 4th OF. Your pointless lecture seems to imply that I said I want a whole team of Zach DeLoaches. Nobody here said the White Sox should never pursue stars, anymore, now that DeLoach passed through waivers.

When Luis Robert Jr. was still a prospect, it was said of him that as he bulked up, he would probably move to a corner. Of course the jury is still out on Zavala. He's an A-ball prospect, for heaven's sake.

What do the Bulls have to do with this? DeLoach, Julks or Fletcher won't be taking ABs away from anybody who deserves them in Chicago or Charlotte. Again, I really have no idea what you or WS23 are hyperventilating about. Are you actually saying that if DeLoach does put it all together, and actually earns a call-up from Charlotte, the White Sox should still release him because you and WS23 have declared him to be human garbage? That's some 4-dimensional s%*#-posting. LOL.

Yeah, even Keith Law didn't say he wasn't a CF in his scathing write-up. I believe that's said that about most CFs. It was said of Robert that he would move to a corner as he bulked up.

Who is saying that Zavala isn't a CF? Anything I can put my hands on says he still projects as a CF.

I really don't know what you're taking a victory lap over. It's really weird as f*** that you get angry when the rest of the world doesn't nurse hate boners for the same baseball players you do.

Oh, so they should just not put players out there until Braden Montgomery is ready? LOL. Okay. I'm not even sure what you're arguing.

DeLoach clearly looks like, if he pulled it all together, he'd be a 4th outfielder. And he's already in our system. You've yet to say why one shouldn't hope on DeLoach to be a 4th OF.