WestEddy

I sometimes feel like somebody figured out that a board that generates negative comments can be turned into bitcoin farming.

Then they can make Tim Hill special umpire scout.

As it stands right now, Bryan Shaw's $1.5 million is the only "wasted" money. And they did give the young guys enough time in the minors to get that extra year of control you so wanted. Who cares if they were going to give Nastrini and Cannon their shot early or not? You act like you stumbled upon Nixon's Watergate tapes.

And we were right. Nastrini and Cannon weren't rushed to start the season in the ML rotation.

Flexen's 3 first innings were all 3-up, 3-down. Maybe Getz wanted him in relief from the get-go. Maybe Tim Hill will be the collateral damage of Cannon joining the parent team. Interesting that Shaw, Hill, Flexen and Soroka were all just noise to get out past an extra year's control on Nastrini and Cannon.

Then why would he bring up the team meeting?

Well, that being said, I've had it beaten into my head, here, that Crochet is so fragile, handing him a baseball is an injury risk. The risk in throwing 70 innings a game is virtually the same as throwing 90 innings. As far as reaching his limit sooner, I'm guessing the "100 innings" is rolled into starts, with monitoring. Maybe he starts pairing with Davis Martin when he returns, each taking 3 innings.

Well, 90 pitch outings aren't a risk for Crochet, so the point is moot. The question was about using up his innings early. There will be other pitchers coming that will take the onus off of Crochet, within a week, or so. It's not a worry that they're going to "use up" his innings early. And if they do, who cares? Start the shitbird starters back out there, and we can ask you every game if you like seeing what you were asking for.

Wasn't it you I went around with for a day, arguing about whether Garrett Crochet threw any game innings that weren't logged on stat sites? He's the healthiest he's probably been in his career. Right now, the Sox need somebody to eat innings. Maybe once Clevinger's aboard, Keller, Nastrini or Cannon look capable, they won't use Crochet as the stopper regularly. I have read that the thinking now is that the 90 pitch outings aren't harmful. It's the longer innings that are the real problem.

I really wish there was a place to find out what brand of motor oil is used in the Sox team buses. That rage-fest could go on for weeks.

Right now, they have one pitcher who can get through the 5th inning on a regular basis. By the middle-end of June, they should have Clevinger, maybe Keller, Nastrini/Cannon getting through the 5th, and saving the bullpen, some, and they'll ramp him down.

As I just commented to someone else in this thread, 90 pitches in 6 innings isn't the problem. It's the 40 pitch innings that really stress the arm. The 140 pitch, 9 inning outings aren't good, either. If a pitcher throws 15-20 pitches, then rests for the other half of the inning, that's regular work.

Well, throwing 92 pitches in a game isn't "grinding down" a pitcher. It's the 40 pitch innings that are worrisome. If a guy throws 15-20 pitches, then sits down for however long the other half of the inning takes, that's just regular work. Crochet has never been as healthy as he's been this spring. And I'm not sure what "benefit of the doubt" is being requested for the Sox. This is all standard pitcher protocol. Crochet's previous injuries or how many innings he threw 5 years ago don't really have anything to do with his workload this year.

His injury date is listed as 3/20 on Fangraphs' Roster Resource, so maybe May 19?

I've already fought the whole group over what we know Crochet has thrown in the last few years. The Sox will probably take him up to 100 innings this year, then ramp him down, which sounds completely reasonable.

If what he said was right, then all major league teams are trying to grind down all of their pitchers.

Yeah, most people just call it "getting a major league pitcher innings".

That's why I don't like how ubiquitous minor league coverage has become. A lot of these guys are coming back from injury, unlearning bad habits, switching positions, whatever, all while stepping up a level in difficulty. It's great when a prospect aces an entire level of the minor leagues. I don't think the Sox will have the luxury of letting a guy stay at a level he dominates for a season because he's blocked at AAA, and those guys are blocked in the majors.

20/20 hindsight - I'd like to be seeing Burger at 3B right now, and Sosa at 2B. But then, I'd still trade Burger in July, probably for the equivalent of Jake Eder. We sold high, bought low. Eder has a chance to be a step above all of the Nastrini/Cannon/Martin/Burke/Bush tier of pitcher.

Jim Margalus sifts though just this conundrum. https://soxmachine.com/2024/04/tommy-pham-nearing-deal-with-white-sox-who-are-beyond-his-help/ 5. Kevin Pillar 4. Robbie Grossman 3. Dominic Fletcher 2. Andrew Vaughn 1. Andrew Benintendi

In all actuality, the White Sox seem to do better when all of the hyped prospects are cleared off the board. They've picked much better from 11th and lower than they have 10th or higher 2023 - Gonzalez - 15 2022 - Schultz - 26 2021 - Montgomery - 22 2020 - Crochet - 11 2019 - Vaughn - 3 2018 - Madrigal - 4 2017 - Burger - 11 2016 - Collins - 10 2015 - Fulmer - 8 2014 - Rodon - 3 2013 - Anderson - 17

Pham is fam.

typo. he's NOT a very good defensive RF.

I mean that Getz will be juggling the roster all year. Just like Crochet on opening day, Nastrini would have given some distraction.