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The goal of spring training for a position player with a lineup spot locked in is to leave spring healthy; literally nothing else matters. "Locking in" for spring training at bats is completely worthless.

Not 2.7 million

Imagine advocating for the Florida way for leadership. Large gatherings doesn't equal more cases. Got it. Thanks for your data. Outdoor events are likely fine, but insinuating that opening indoor venues for mass gathering wouldn't be problematic is hilarious. Now I'm sure mods will delete this post and leave your covid truther nonsense posts you've made multiple times now.

I literally didn't delete anything. Nothing I said was distorted or cherry picked. I pulled all the data for all the years and posted the trend. I'll just go back to pretending your posts don't exist; things work much better that way. I said I don't want to be watching 4 hour games; I never said they were already 4 hours. Reading should be easy for a guy who writes novels every single post he makes.

Go back to ignoring my posts, because reading your posts always hurts my head.

I said I don't want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, not that we're doing it already. Oh, and the average postseason game in 2019 was 3 hours and 38 minutes so they are getting closer and closer when many people actually watch. Now take your condescending nonsense somewhere else.

You stated the people complaining about the game getting longer were media members who don't want to be there (dumb) and then you insinuated that the game hasn't gotten longer but commercials have and that's caused the problem or something. In the early 80's late 70's, games were 2:30 hours. You also apparently struggle with math since you insinuated that commercials and pitching changes caused the change, then showed math that presented those accounted for 17 minutes while game time was up over a half hour. Hmmm Since 1985: I said runs in the late 90's early 2000's were up - which correlated directly to the increase in game time BUT since 2000, runs have trended downward (as I said) until 2018-2019 and game time has continued to move longer and longer. Hence - less action, fewer runs, longer games. You claimed I cherry picked a number, when in fact I selected the number when the run trend began to decline and the game length continued to lengthen. Only recently did runs start to come back up after they livened the baseball again. Now carry on with your pointless "dumbass" posts comments.

yeah, real hard to see: SMH

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Denying that the game is taking longer and has less action is just denying reality. But sure, blame media guys or whatever.

I didnt cherry pick. I'm looking at time per 9 innings. And the trend is up. This isn't hard to see. Year Tms G Time Time/9I Inn Inn% R/G PA/G Pitches/PA Batters/G Pitchers/G PH/G PR/G Batters/S Pitchers/S Attendance Attend/G Lg Payroll* Payroll/Tm* 2020 30 898 3:06 3:07 68 7.57 9.29 74.0 3.97 10.4 4.43 0.65 0.23 20.7 25.7 2019 30 2429 3:10 3:05 208 8.56 9.66 76.8 3.93 10.3 4.41 1.18 0.14 24.9 31.0 68,506,896 28,203 $3,999,827,072 $133,327,569 2018 30 2431 3:04 3:00 216 8.89 8.90 76.1 3.90 10.4 4.36 1.16 0.16 24.7 29.7 69,671,272 28,659 $3,964,096,903 $132,136,563 2017 30 2430 3:08 3:05 182 7.49 9.29 76.2 3.89 10.3 4.22 1.13 0.15 24.2 28.0 72,678,797 29,908 $3,983,892,634 $132,796,421 2016 30 2428 3:04 3:00 185 7.62 8.96 76.0 3.88 10.4 4.15 1.12 0.16 24.2 27.5 73,159,044 30,131 $3,761,011,880 $125,367,062 2015 30 2429 3:00 2:56 212 8.73 8.50 75.6 3.83 10.4 4.11 1.16 0.18 24.5 27.0 73,719,340 30,349 $3,680,887,206 $122,696,240 2014 30 2430 3:07 3:02 232 9.55 8.13 75.7 3.83 10.3 3.98 1.14 0.17 24.8 24.8 73,739,622 30,345 $3,398,869,156 $113,295,638 2013 30 2431 3:04 2:58 243 10.00 8.33 76.0 3.84 10.3 3.95 1.12 0.17 24.5 24.2 74,027,037 30,451 $3,150,727,861 $105,024,262 2012 30 2430 3:00 2:55 192 7.90 8.65 75.8 3.83 10.3 3.99 1.14 0.18 24.7 24.1 74,859,268 30,806 $2,950,092,506 $98,336,416 2011 30 2429 2:56 2:51 237 9.76 8.57 76.3 3.82 10.3 3.86 1.08 0.19 24.5 23.6 73,425,667 30,228 $2,872,256,542 $95,741,884 2010 30 2430 2:54 2:50 220 9.05 8.77 76.3 3.83 10.3 3.87 1.14 0.18 24.0 22.8 73,061,763 30,066 $2,757,480,197 $91,916,006 2009 30 2430 2:55 2:51 195 8.02 9.23 77.0 3.83 10.3 3.93 1.12 0.16 23.7 24.3 73,430,580 30,218 $2,791,645,244 $93,054,841 2008 30 2428 2:55 2:50 208 8.57 9.30 77.3 3.81 10.4 3.92 1.18 0.19 24.5 23.3 78,624,315 32,382 $2,694,090,063 $89,803,002 2007 30 2431 2:55 2:51 220 9.05 9.59 77.6 3.77 10.5 3.97 1.18 0.20 23.9 23.9 79,484,718 32,696 $2,499,198,987 $83,306,632 2006 30 2429 2:51 2:48 185 7.62 9.72 77.4 3.76 10.4 3.85 1.15 0.19 23.8 23.3 76,043,902 31,306 $2,337,874,617 $77,929,153 2005 30 2431 2:49 2:46 182 7.49 9.18 76.6 3.74 10.4 3.71 1.16 0.18 23.5 21.8 74,915,268 30,816 $2,189,013,398 $72,967,113

The avg length of a game in 2005 was 2:46. In 2019 it was 3:10 minutes. One huge piece of the puzzle you're missing here is scoring is down from the late 90's substantially. More scoring equals more time. There's one less run scored per game in 2020 than there was in 2000. The avg length of a game last year was 3 hours and 7 minutes and the avg innings played per game was 7.57. Anyway you slice it baseball games are getting longer with less action. Games may have been close to as long in 2000 because there was a lot more offense. Now offense is down, pitchers used per game is up almost 1 full pitcher per team, and game length is up. I'm not a member of the media. I watch a ton of baseball. For the amount of scoring and action games are getting way too long.

yeah, i don't like Manfred but the idea of him trying to make the game more entertaining is one baseball needs to address. The rules have changed plenty in baseball history. Did the mound change destroy the game? Did the DH? When they changed the size of the strike zone did that ruin baseball? When they banned the spitball? Did the wild card or divisional rounds ruin the game? Baseball has a problem; a big length of game problem. With reliever specialization, max-effort pitching all game, and 3 true outcomes rising yearly it's longer than ever and has less action than ever. I love the game, but I don't really want to deal with 4 hour game time averages, and fans aren't going to stay involved for that long. I would say Manfred has failed because none of his ideas really speed up the game but trying to make the game shorter and more active isn't a bad mission by any means.

No way... I would have never thought you believed this based on all your other 20 threads making the same point.

Charge your phone! Giving me anxiety!

I'm excited about the team. I'm not acting as if Rodon has suddenly figured it all out and is going to flourish. Rodon's problem has and always will be health. Arm health really isn't related to conditioning; you can either handle the motion or you can't. Rodon has been an all-arm thrower for a long time who has utilized a slider (bad on arm) more than most traditional pitchers. He was overused at NC State (a concern coming out of college) and he's been unable to maintain health and his delivery in the big leagues. Expecting a guy in his 7th year of MLB baseball to suddenly turn it all around after suffering from arm injury after arm injury is just a hope and a dream IMO. Rodon has looked unhittable MANY times in his big league career; times where the games actually counted. That has not been his problem. The fact is, most players are who they are, especially at 28 years old. If he stays healthy, he'll be fine and serviceable but I certainly wouldn't bet on Carlos Rodon to throw over 160 innings this year. Would you? Edit; Oh and if you need a wake up call as a professional athlete at 28 years old to "start trying harder" then you legit don't have what it takes to be an elite professional athlete. There's no switch you can turn on.

Yup, it's hyperbole season. BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE! THIS VET SUCKS FOR NOT DOMINATING SPRING! Fact is, most guys don't change much. The Cease is going to be this years version of Giolitos turnaround is probably my favorite. Giolito had a turn around that the game literally hadn't seen in 100 years, and now some people like Stone and others are saying Cease is about to do it. It's just nonsense. Rodon looks good; he's looked good before in his life. The problem is he doesn't stay healthy, doesn't maintain it, and his arm just isn't what it used to be. The entire Carlos just didn't try hard enough theory around Soxtalk completely ignores that reality that Carlos hasn't stayed healthy and it's likely due to the way he throws (very top heavy-all arm) and the amount of wear and tear he had on his arm in college and prior throwing that way. That isn't going to be fixed by Ethan Katz. Maybe Carlos is solid - he's been solid before - but it's very likely he can't stay healthy and sustain anything.

Spring doesn't matter when guys are bad and is very telling whe guys are good. Interesting how that logic works

Literally none of this matters. Injuries are the only thing one should worry about in spring. Most vets are working on specific things they may feel needs work/improvement.

similarly to how weird i find reporting something to an e-moderator, i find having to put a poster on ignore to actually just ignore them and not be bothered by them is odd. all goes back to just reading posts without reading who posted it first.

These posts honestly crack me up - not because you made it Tex, but because there are grown men in the world reporting internet messages/posts to moderators because a poster hurt their feelings and they want them punished. ?

Why would the Sox release Marshall? I don't trust the guy as far as I could throw him, but even I have to admit he's made me look stupid the past two years and last year his peripherals backed up his production. They'd be fools to release him outright.

Just confused why you'd ban me anyway lol. Ragah, you argue about how to argue. Coming from me, someone who is much more likely to respond to those I disagree with than those I agree with, your issue is you stop discussing actual topics and start discussing how people are discussing. When people take things OT, it usually furthers discussions that branched off the topic but you go pages arguing about arguing which can get pretty tiring. That's just my perspective and I get being argumentative. Also, you frequently call posters names, referring to them as ignorant or stupid and then expect cordial responses. I find pal and buddy works just as well to rile up the base without having to be actually disrespectful ?? by calling people names. Respond to the post, not the poster.