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I'm arguing the Sox won more games than most thought, so saying they should have won even more just isn't logical. Down the stretch, Renteria choked - but most so in game 3. He overmanaged and he's not a great in-game manager so over managing is suicidal. That said, again... the players lost the games. Just as the players took them on a pace that was ahead of all projections. This fallacy that other managers always make this optimal decision that every fan would agree with is just dumb too. Ricky wasn't Bevington. He just clearly handled and managed pressure poorly. He was pacing and had his hands on his knees like he was getting ready to keel over every time they showed him in the dugout in the playoffs. I'm sure that really made everyone around him feel great... jeeeeesus

If you had the White Sox as a 94-95 win team over 162 to start this season I commend you. If you thought they were a 96-99 win team over 162 then I commend you even more.

I said in another thread, but I'd hire Bochy first and Bochy only if he was interested in the job. Then probably Cora; Hinch would be fine, I just don't like Hinch dating back to his Diamondbacks days either. That said, he was so young then and he's fine now I'm sure. The hilarious thing is I don't think Managers mean much, but I think LaRussa would be an absolute disaster.

After LaRussa clearly showed how much smarter he was than everyone else while he lead the Diamondbacks to obvious league wide dominance, this was my favorite excerpt from Tony's Wikipedia page: In November 2017, the Boston Red Sox announced that La Russa had joined the team as vice president and special assistant to Dave Dombrowski, the president of baseball operations.[38] In making the announcement, the Red Sox indicated that La Russa would assist with player development, serve as an advisor to the team's coaches at the major and minor league levels, and serve as a consultant for Alex Cora, the team's major league manager.[39] La Russa worked with the Red Sox for two seasons, and after Dombrowski was released by the Red Sox during the 2019 season, the Los Angeles Angels hired La Russa as senior adviser for baseball operations in November 2019.[40] He was hired in 2017 to develop young players, and serve as a consultant to Cora lol. The Red Sox farm system is the worst it's been in years, the team went in the dumps, and Cora was suspended a year for Cheating. Well done, Tony. Well done. Angels hire him to advise them on how to spend more money than anyone while missing the playoffs when half the teams made it.

Come on, you didn't think he and Dave Stewart were tearing the league up running the Diamondbacks? Remember how he and Dave completly fleeced the stupid Braves and stole Shelby Miller from them? All they had to give up was Inciarte, Dansby, and Aaron Blair.

This is a disaster. LaRussa would be a dreadful hire and he appears to be the front runner.

Bochy would be a great get. Just read he said he'd be interested; I'd much rather have Bruce than Hinch. Met Bochy once at a bar in Milwaukee after a game when they were playing the Brewers; it was the night of the Villanova National Title game and the guy had like 75k on Nova. Really cool guy, and everything I've ever heard about him from anyone around baseball and on the Giants is that he's great.

Why would Rick Hahn be fired for executing a rebuild and having it turn out - to date - exactly as planned?

In general, continuity is better than not. In general, I agree with Dick that kicking the guy when he's down is pointless. If the Sox win the division by 5 games next year, or lose it by 5, is anyone really going to argue it was the freaking manager that made the difference? I honestly don't think there's ever been a job whose impact has been more exaggerated by fans than baseball manager.

That's fine and if they hire him its fine. I have some beef with him passing the buck and blaming cora, beltran and the players but thats just my opinion.

So the manager of a team "tried" to stop cheating but didn't have enough control over his own roster to do it... and you want him to replace a guy who veterans didn't think held some players accountable enough? Pretending that Hinch tried to stop anything is a joke.

World Series; Technically no one can contact them. That rule is obviously complete nonsense and MLB has no enforcement power; they're not subpoenaing phone records.

I think they liked Ricky the man, and appreciated how he always had their back. I think some had questions about Ricky the disciplinarian and man of accountability, in addition to some of his in-game decisions down the stretch. Had their hot spell come at the end of the season and not the middle, I doubt we have this conversation but it's understandable either way.

After Hahn's presser it sounds like they're going to spend some money on a proven guy so clearly neither of these two, but I think the Sox have interest in someone they know will listen and apply their strategic thoughts while not being a huge personality. People with prior relationships to the young guys would be a bonus in my thought process above.

What's absolutely hilarious about this is veterans are saying Renteria didn't hold players accountable and how that's an issue, while AJ Hinch literally tried to claim he had no idea what was going on/or what the players were doing during the sign stealing saga in his own clubhouse and dugout lol.

Bochy would be nice, but doubt he's on their radar and not even sure he wants to manage anymore.

I like Cora; not a big fan of Hinch. He'd certainly be well aligned with the direction the organization wants to go though. Alomar has done nothing to show he's an upgrade.

I never constantly felt the need to defend anyone. He managed game 3 badly and is paying the price. Ricky being fired is fine. He wasn't the reason the sox didn't win, and he did a nice job with the young guys, but the sox didn't think he gave them the best chance to win in the big spot. they would know that better than anyone given that they know the directives he was given. The insinuation that because I hold the players at majority fault 99.9% for failures means I endlessly supported renteria is nonsense. This boards never ending negativity in game threads wasnt rational or reasonable because he got fired. It was still overreactive nonsense where people blamed the manager for damn near 50% of the losses.

Great, and just for future reference I'll quote and respond to whoever I want presenting my opinion regardless of their desire to hear it. Thanks for reading.

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I think its Getz or Jerschele. Im with you on those two heading in the direction the sox want.

There is literally no argument on the "for side" for Chicago to file Bankruptcy. This isn't Detroit in 2013; in which the City had been underwater for decades and had lost the majority of it's revenue streams. This is a financial hub for the nation; Chicago filing bankruptcy wouldn't have as terrible of an effect as the entire state, but given that 611 of the 782 Billion of the state GDP derives from Chicago, it would be nearly the same exact thing. And again, this concept that a state that has given much more to the federal government than it has taken shouldn't be bailed out while it's been bailing out poorly run states for decades is comical to me. Illinois is poorly run - don't get me wrong - but it's also a poorly run state that until now has been able to not be a blood sucker on the teet of the federal dime. A poorly run state with enough revenue and financial power that it could support itself while it destroyed itself ha

Just to help Harry with this question: "do you know what it would do to the Market if the State of Illinois was forced to declare bankruptcy" If Illinois was a nation, it would have the 18th highest GDP in the world; ahead of countries like Saudi Arabia. Now when you do your analysis on the catastrophic damage a state that size filing for bankruptcy would do to the economy - if it were allowed - you'll have a starting point on the debt we're talking about. 782 billion is the states GDP

I missed this the first time through. Harry, I'm not sure I've ever seen someone talk so much about fiscal policy and economics while understanding so little. Fictitiously speaking, do you know what it would do to the Market if the State of Illinois was forced to declare bankruptcy; the stock market and the dollar? Additionally, did you know that states literally cannot file bankruptcy? I can tell how misinformed people are on economics and government fiscal policy when they make comments like "the state will have to file bankruptcy" which they literally can.... not. do. It's because you heard this on some ignorant talk show and think you are intelligent regurgitating it. Did you know that states like Illinois receive LESS federal funding than they give? For every dollar they put in, they get .89 cents back? Did you know they're one of only 14 states that do that? So Illinois shouldn't receive federal help do to a sales tax shortfall caused by a pandemic, but southern states should get $1.50-$2.00 in federal funds for every dollar they put into the federal pool every year for decades. HMMMM, that doesn't make much sense.

If no one delivered your packages, and no one stocked the shelves and organized the amazon warehouses, amazon literally COULD NOT operate. If Jeff Bezos died tomorrow, Amazon would continue on as a growing and expanding powerhouse. Don't believe me? How's Steve Jobs doing. Sorry for the duplicate posts; rant over. It's just been so exhausting reading so many misinformed takes and opinions that are merely the regurgitation of Wall Street propagated nonsense.