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Not at all. I actually don't think they need him at all, but it would be a huge boost and an unexpected outcome if he figures it out (he won't). Lopez, Rodon, Cease, Kopech and then one of the Lambert/Dunning/Stephens/FA/Hansen guys could pan out that would be more than solid. They have options.

Yes, my folks who live in Michigan being one of the packages they sold. Poor parents are going to be driving to 20+ games a year 2+ hours. Old man isn't happy, but this just isn't shocking. Hopefully the kids live up to their potential and we can enjoy this run in spite of Kenny Williams.

Eh, I don't have the pessimism for the prospects that some do. The depth in the organization is strong - they probably have more back half of the top 20 prospects that could propel themselves into the top 100 in baseball of any team. Rutherford, Basebe, Steele Walker, Hansen, Lambert, Gonzalez and on and on... those kids are all really talented and while a lot of them will not pan out, their sheer numbers of talent beyond the top tier is strong. I'm not ready to give up on that - they didn't start spending on development and draft/scouting until two years back when they overhauled the organization. I'll give them the proper time to show development with those guys - baseball can take time. I think they have some stars in that bunch though - I'm pretty adament that I think Luis Gonzalez is an MLB star in the making - he reminds me a lot of Jose Ramirez.

This POS blaming the young guys on this team for not spending money is the MOST OFFENSIVE aspect of all of this. Absolutely unacceptable to do... blame a group of players/kids for you being a cheap POS. That's just obnoxious. This makes me so angry... because the rebuild was sold as reinvesting money into player development and drafting, as well as international FA, and then make the big splashes in free agency to compliment/enhance those pieces. Is this dumb ass gonna blame these guys for the next 7 years as the reason they didn't sign anyone? They've saved tens of millions already with the rebuild, and there's zero interest of reinvesting it back into the team it seems. Hahn keeps saying the money will be spent, yeah, OK big guy.

What stretch? He's a big league pitcher, every big league pitcher can throw 2 or 3 good games. Giolito's BEST month, was a 3.86 ERA. He looked pretty good in September - he didn't look like a #2 starter though.

The friends thing is what doesn't jive with me the most of everything. It's the thing that bothers me the most. If you're going to be a penny pinching organization in regards to free agency, what the fuck are you doing wasting 13 million dollars on some guys to entice another player? Give that 13 million to him. How stupid can you be to do that? Amazing, honestly. The arrogance helped them sign season ticket packages - anyone that doesn't see that angle is just missing the boat. It was a bait and switch move, imo, and unacceptable. I'd have no issues if they didn't act like they were getting him - talking about planning for years to get Machado. PLEASE DON'T FORGET, THIS IS THE TEAM THAT WAS FLOATING THE IDEA OF TRADING ASSETS! TO HAVE MACHADO FOR ONE YEAR TO SELL HIM ON THE FRANCHISE. This team almost traded future assets to not even have the high offer on the table for the guy. That should have been a red flag to begin with, but I missed it.

It's honestly remarkable how stupid Kenny is: “Whomever you’re speaking of, there is nothing I can say that will make them feel better,’’ Williams said. “Rest assured that no one is feeling what Rick and I are feeling because every single day since June of last year, this is what we had planned for, the pursuit of both Harper and Machado. Harper [was] well out of our range. With Machado we extended ourselves as far as we could without jeopardizing what we’re going to need to do in the future. So, you were planning this pursuit every day since June of last year, but throughout that process you didn't plan that the players would get... you know... 300 million? How stupid can you be to investigate the situation as thoroughly as they claim and yet, here we are... shocked at the contract being signed. This moron's insistence on saying they aren't cheap... and his insistence on blaming future contracts for players who literally haven't even made it to the big leagues is laughable. He's now blaming the rebuild guys for not spending money, when the rebuilt to save money for this exact moment to sign the marquee star. This type of mumble jumble is just obnoxious and ignorant to the point that I didn't even think Kenny WIlliams would go.

Sox fans havent bought tickets for decades which had helped lead us here. If we were selling 3 million+ tickets a year Sox would be top 5 spenders. Sox fans dont spend or support the team unless they're really good. I do wish there was a way to hold them accountable for the manny stuff but there just isnt. I always say... I'm not gonna let someone elses stupidity change me from doing things I enjoy. I love baseball and the white Sox. Jerry's stupidity and cheapness arent going to ruin that for me.

What about my posts are holier than thou? Because I'm not upset with the loss of Harper when we were never getting him to begin with.

Giolito was always a lot more hype than production.

What is awful about it? I've already pointed out the last 4 off seasons of articles saying that giolito made an overhaul to his mechanics. Professional baseball players arent overhauling their mechanics every year. This is because giolito isnt very good.

Idk if anyone alive could convince JR to spend 300 million. Lol what? The bulls are terrible and have no talent.

Yes. This is how I feel. Harper would have been cool I guess but machado was the prize for us. We invested so heavily in that.

4 offseasons 4 delivery tweaks and overhauls. Giolito is finished.

I havent said that one time.

When they win, they draw. Mark buehrle and Paul konerko weren't drawing fans when they sucked. Sox fans don't show up to watch even ok baseball. They wont even show up and watch if they look good for a while - they need to sustain it to get fans.

Discuss what? Fans acting outraged about missing out on a player the whole world told you they were out on? My goodness

Yes and I think manny is a better player... hence why I wouldnt just give an extra 30 million to Harper over what my manny ceiling would be.

It's not HUGE. my goodness. Yes it allows the Phillies to spend more on a team around Bryce without hitting the tax. It's a win win for the player and team.

Yes because the Dodgers and giants were not actually in at a real number.

Lol are these posts serious? 13 years is just to take the payroll luxury tax number lower. 10 or 13 years, doesn't matter. It was the guaranteed dollars that mattered.

This makes it worse with the no opt outs. 13 years doesnt matter. 10 or 13 is all semantics. Anyone that believes the Dodgers offered 10 years now are smoking something good.

No he doesnt. Winning is all that matters in this game when it comes to generating revenue. Look at the rangers with a rod for proof. Or any other big contracts. They dont sell tickets unless the team is good.

Obviously they weren't a bargain Jack. It was the most money any team in MLB baseball was willing to give. That was the peak market for both

Lol at cheap. Largest contract in baseball history... Sox are cheap for not beating it? Please. Sox whouod have given manny 300 million - that's inexcusable. Being out on Harper was fine at that price