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didn't mean to imply at all that you based a sp;ecific player - just asking in general since the praise PK threads took so much heat and I was attacked for celebrating PK - I am with you, Colon pitched a hell of a game, and Colon deserves all the praise tonight - as well as Valentin, I might add, who made some good plays, and I have not always been complimentary on his fielding. I agree 100% that Colon will be a big factor in the playoffs. and we are going to game 7 in the WS.

i can't recall - where you for or against these praise a player who was attacked threads? Like the MB and the PK ones? I am not asking to be sarcastic. I don't remember where you stood, there was so much wide ranging debate. Personally I think you saluting Colon is cool when he goes 9 and wins the game to put us in first place alone. I also thought it was ok to post a thread saying PK was hitting a lot of home runs. I got bashed by saying that was being in people's faces and PK was just doing his job. Well, to those people, then your thread is in people's faces and Colon was just doing his job. I prefer the celebration threads when a player does something well, especially when that player has been trashed as Colon and PK have been. But be prepared for the bashing (unless those folks are going to suddenly adopt another stance) but with you, right now, Bartolo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Colon????? Stewart 6-4-3 we win

need we play a little Sting as background music?

Colon?????????????? Guzman 0-1 single 8

Colon?????????? Pierzinski 0-1 8 1 down

oppressed upper deck sitters, arise! show them what we can do that they can't on the concourse!

the game is a bore Tampa keeps screwing up on offense and Philadelphia can't advance on offense 3-0 tb early int he 2nd JM's press conferance will have more hightlights and thrills and offense than this NFL game

interrupting the baseball and sexual play by play to post my usual greeting to Mr. Africa -

and that means you do pbp for every game the rest of the season... ... and the playoffs... every game... it is on your shoulders!

agreed

1. No. 2. It has been my lifeline the past 3 seasons. It is usually screwed up the first week of the season and then wonderful after that. And I like the option of listening to every game played for $19.95 - the last bargain in baseball. Listening to the twins lose to the angels last week was priceless. without mlb radio, I would have no way to get my every game sox fix when I am in Michigan.

It is a trifle, they will more than arrive there every one, and still pass on. a few people around here would do well to remember those few lines. very much agreed, my friend, very much agreed.

Top 10 Black Hawk lines: 10) How do some teams get 2 points for a game? 9) Do some players actually get more than minimum wage for playing this game? 8) Why does half of my minimum wage paycheck show a deduction of 50% for the "Wirtz Family Christmas Gift Fund?" 7) Is it true some teams sign free agents? 6) I thought every team changed coaches twice a year! 5) Oh, the puck is supposed to past the blue line? 4) My Ace "One Size Fits All" athletic supporter fits just fine. Why would anyone want a stanley cup? I wouldn't want to wear a cup after Stanley used it. Gross! 3) Oh, the Stanley Cup does not go in my jock strap? 2) I heard some teams actually play more than 80 games a season! 1) I love it when the red light shines on our side! It's like a party! So much fun to see our guests so happy!

Now, doesn't the idea of using clothed officers seem, ah, counter productive and not in the spirit of the event? Although a dude like this is dangerous and needs to be caught.

It is a trifle, they will more than arrive there every one, and still pass on.

I will gladly stand with apu on things said there. As far as apu's political posts go, having read them all this time, it is safe that most of anyting he says, I agree with. The differences apu and I have are only those of degree, not polarity. I have respect for apu's insights. He has consistently posted links of solid authority and I know from other conversations with apu that apu knows his stuff. And yes, apu, some of us know what happened on the "first" September 11th. Some cable channel by design or coincidence showed "Missing" last night. 3,000 died at the hands of the CIA supported Pinochet and since Kissinger bragged on support of Pinochet I hope no one challenges US involvment in Chile. Of course the evidence goes much deeper than that but Kissinger's brag about the irresponsibility of the people of Chile and thus they needed that violent military coup in which a democraticly elected government was overthrown and slaughter followed is a quote to illuminate one of the more shameful chapters in US history. We have just had a sham war in which a lot of people have died in something that has no connection with terrorism. But Haliburton's huge contract has perhaps made this all worthwhile for a few people. Spiff, I suspect you and I disagree a lot on things political but I have great respect for anyone who can respond to a Whitman quote with another Whitman quote. That poem - at that length is it still a poem or is there another term? - is remarkably apt all these years later. This is non political: One of the posters said that when the towers fell he wondered why God allowed this to happen. That is a question a lot of people asked. I will simply state that God did not allow this to happen. The non political question for everyone in response to September 11th is not "where was God." The question is: who did this? People. Terror begats violence begats terror begats violence. Pick the place where it starts. It did not happen in a vacuum. Where are people in all of this? It is people who do all of this. It is not God's job to come riding in like the calvary in an old western to save the day. It is time for people to take responsibility for the things that people do to people. The acts of September 11th happened because of things that happened prior to that date and the things that have happened since are continuim of the violence, which solves nothing. Where are people? Where is humanity in the suffering and violence and horror in the world? Causing it and suffering from it - and causing more of it and saying "they started it" and the circle of violence goes round and round. as John Lennon said, war is over, when we want it.

My kids just always went along fine with stuff but I never tried them at the park before age 5. With my grandson, Mr. I am Bored! I told him that I loved him and I loved the Sox and I wasn't going to fight with him at the ball park, grandpa never leaves a game early, and he was never going to be allowed to go to a game until he told me he could sit through 9 innings. The day came when he was 6 - he said he could sit through 9 innings - and I took him to his first game, against Seattle in 2001 - and naturally the game went 14 innings. But Mags scored the winning run and he had fallen in love with Mags because he could sing the O-E-O song. Now that he is 8, besides keeping score we also keep track of the frog race, the pizza race, the hat game, the air plane race - sure that stuff is a gimmick but it does help pass the time for a kid - and since he can also keep score and explain what a 6-4-3, 5F, 3A, and other scoring is, as well as do keep score his own self, I don't thinking tracking the video races is such a waste. We have fun at the park, a lot of fun. Many of our best outings have been to USCF. When I am dead and gone, he'll have all that to remember and that is enough for me.

the UD lines are generally much shorter than downstairs for everything. I can guarentee almost every game that I can leave at a third out and get food or hit the john and be back before the first pitch of the next half inning. There are no super fancy gourmet foods up as there are down, but more than adequete food selections. Adding a few classy type food selections up would be cool. I am a first name basis with almost every UD Sox employee - easier to do with the lesser congestion in the UD and more time to chit chat. And with the other fans - have gotten to be good friends with many of them. What we notice is when out of town fans come up there for thgeir first game at USCF- they invariably remark how beautiful USCF is and how great the UD perspective is. We've heard it so often up there, it is such a cliche. Where I sit, I can see everything in the park. And you have never seen the 4th of July until you've seen the fireworks at USCF and then stepped out on the UD ramps and wtached all the fireworks in all the communities and neighborhoods around - it is a most stunning sight. The only place I would choose to sit other than where I am at is in club section. (I love the club section!) But I can't afford that yet - I am quite content where I am in the upper deck, and if that is all I ever can afford, I'll be happy.

I also offered these readings. The first is from Walt Whitman's Song of Myself. The second is by American poet (19th century) Ebenezar Elliot. I understand the large hearts of heroes, The courage of present times and all times, How the skipper saw the crowded and rudderless wreck of the steam-ship, and Death chasing it up and down the storm, How he knuckled tight and gave not back an inch, and was faithful of days and faithful of nights, And chalk'd in large letters on a board, Be of good cheer, we will not desert you; How he follow'd with them and tack'd with them three days and would not give it up, How he saved the drifting company at last, How the lank loose-gown'd women look'd when boated from the side of their prepared graves, How the silent old-faced infants and the lifted sick, and the sharp-lipp'd unshaved men; All this I swallow, it tastes good, I like it well, it becomes mine, I am the man, I suffer'd, I was there. Agonies are one of my changes of garments, I do not ask the wounded person how he feels, I myself become the wounded person, My hurts turn livid upon me as I lean on a cane and observe. I am the mash'd fireman with breast-bone broken, Tumbling walls buried me in their debris, Heat and smoke I inspired, I heard the yelling shouts of my comrades, I heard the distant click of their picks and shovels, They have clear'd the beams away, they tenderly lift me forth. I lie in the night air in my red shirt, the pervading hush is for my sake, Painless after all I lie exhausted but not so unhappy, White and beautiful are the faces around me, the heads are bared of their fire-caps, The kneeling crowd fades with the light of the torches. Walt Whitman "Song of Myself" When will you save the people? O God of mercy, when? Not kings and lords, but nations, Not thrones and crowns, but your children! Flowers of your heart, O God, are they; let them not pass like weeds away, Their heritage a sunless day. God save the people! Shall crime bring crime forever, Strength aiding still the strong? Is it your will, Creator, that we shall toil for wrong? No, say your mountains; No, say your skies; our clouded sun shall brightly rise, and songs ascend, instead of sighs, God save the people! When will you save the people? O God of mercy, when? The people, God, the people! Not thrones and crowns, but your children! God save the people; for we are yours, your children as your angels fair; from vice, oppression and despair, God save the people! Ebenezer Elliott

On September 11 we had a community service - more of a gathering - that evening at the largest church building in our city. As the longest serving pastor in this community I offered this prayer: For those who have died, we shudder at the horror of their deaths in these acts of terror. Rest eternal grant them O God, and let light perpetual shine upon them. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. Almighty God, you are the shield of the oppressed, hear us as we pray for injured and the hurting. Be merciful to those who suffer, in body or in mind, to those who are in danger or distress, and who have suffered loss. Let your love surround the infirm and the helpless. Be especially near to those who may yet pass through the valley of death. Grant them also merciful and eternal rest, and the warmth of your perpetual light. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. Give strength to doctors, nurses, technicians, ambulance drivers, paramedics, chaplains and ministers, and those who care for the ill and injured. Bless with your mercy all fire and police personnel, and all those who watch over the public safety. Comfort them in their own pain in the midst of these things. Keep them strong as they battle the devastation of terrorist attacks, trusting in your power to overcome death and pain and crying. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those who are filled with fear because of the unknown fate of those that they love; Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those who are filled with fear because they are of the Islamic faith or Arabic descent, for my friend Alif and all who may be threatened by prejudice and bigotry, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For the children, those who have lost parents, and for all children who have been taught this week about evil and who have lost all innocence in seeing the world that they shall inherit from us, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those who have witnessed these tragic events which shall burn forever in their memories, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For the people of Israel and Palestine, for the people of Kosovo and Macedonia, for the people of Rwanda, Congo, and Nigeria, for the people of Chiapas, Peru, and Columbia, for the people of Ireland, and all people who suffer and have suffered from recent terrorism and found us unconcerned or oblivious or unhelpful because they were far away and their suffering did not concern us, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those in other countries who have expressed their grief for our suffering and who are praying for us and all people who hurt, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those who organized and who committed these acts, we know that they too are your children; while we may not this day be comfortable with the yoke of love, we must forgive and find a common humanity with those who hate us. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For the leaders of our nation and all nations that they might have wisdom, and seek political solutions so that this cycle of violence might end; others must not be added to the list of victims of these days. We beg you in your mercy to stop the headlong rush to war. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. For those in the military who are on alert, for Jeremy my son whose birthday is this week and for the families of those who serve in the armed services, of this nation and all nations, Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. O God of love, O God of peace, make wars throughout this world to cease. The wrath of sinful folk restrain, give peace, O Holy One, give again. Holy One, in your mercy: hear our prayer. Into your hands, O God, we commend all for whom we pray, trusting in your mercy; through your Begotten, Jesus Christ our Savior. Amen.

In that the Franklin family happen to be friends of mine, in that I still vividly remember when Aretha's father, the Rev. C. L. Franklin, was gunned down and murdered, after years of giving a safe haven to civil rights workers when it was a risk to do so, in that Erma Franklin's death wasn't that long ago and I miss my friend very much, I think posting that thing was very ill considered. I do not understand humor that mocks other people like that. Humor doesn't have to be vicious, and to suggest that any human being be killed as a animal is ... just what it is, not funny. September 11th is a few days away and does not that put anything in perspective, calling for people to be butchered? And for anyone who says "lighten up," no, not at all, unless you will post a picture of yourself and your mother and father on here with a joke that ends with them being being proccessed in a slaughter house.. If you won't take the joke yourself about yourself, don't do it to others. Lighten up? Post something funny. Post something that is full of humor. Post something witty. And because this is all so innocent, I await the pictures of poster with their parents and the same tag lines.

Im singing along, GO Aretha!!!!!!!!!!

to help us all to think, here is Aretha Franklin!

thanks! you are such a dude!