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Danny won 14 last year and will win that and more in seasons to come I'd give Cotts another start and let Danny continue to work long relief for now

if section 530 is being sold my hunch is 15,000 away from a sellout, which is a long ways I went by the place tonight, very empty - I bet it will be rocking tomorrow!

Royals shut out at home We win handily on road Twins lose easily I think at home .5 back

no, tonight's game is a microcosm - we handily beat a team on the road that used to crush in their home park. never get too down about a loss or too up about a victory and no one game is an omen, really.

and Danny pitches very well to get his first in relief of a nervous Cotts - I think Cotts will be much better now that his debut is past.

remind me to insist on you on the jury in case I ever need an acquittal of a guilty person. Rose and his team of lawyers letting a doctored statement go by? Give me a break. Cerb, it is time to quit the crack. It really is! cwsox, did you even watch he court proceedings? If not, stop being so ignorant and arrogant. I'm also playing Devil's Advocate here, so stop flipping out. cerb - just amazing. Just f***ing amazing. I perhaps should abandon everything I have learned in law in the past 16 years as a member of the state bar association and instead like you trust in ESPN on Law as the source of all wisdom. Yeah, right, that's what I will do. Of course I have read the Giamatti report and suggest you do also, as well as other extensive research here, so perhaps you will not come across as, how can one say, ignorant and arrogant. You on law is like me on the minor leagues - out of one's depth.

If his case was that black and white, the public and MLB wouldn't even entertain such proposals for him ebing let back into baseball. There would be no trials on ESPN, there would be no conversations at all. It isn't such a clear case as you make it out to be. cerb, that Rose bet on baseball is fact. He signed the Giamatti statement and there is more than enough evidence out there, You think the commissioner of baseball banned the all time hits leader for fun? The evidence was massive and overwhelming and that is why Rose signed on to a lifetime ban. Whether he should be admitted to the HOF is debatable but what is not debatable is whether he bet on baseball. If the "ESPN wouldn't do a show on it" is your argument, don't ever take a class with me as your professsor. You can find people who deny the Holocaust and there are tv shows on that. Fact is fact, and Rose bet on baseball. Whether that makes him Hall worthy or not is the question, not the issue of fact. What Rose signed with advice of counsel is what in law is called "Admissions of Fact." That is not debatable; Rose bet on baseball.

remind me to insist on you on the jury in case I ever need an acquittal of a guilty person. Rose and his team of lawyers letting a doctored statement go by? Give me a break. Cerb, it is time to quit the crack. It really is!

try confession of betting - proven he's bet - read the Giamatti report that he agreed to on the advice of counsel - how anyone can speak of "allegations" of betting with Rose, I can't fathom - do you also speak of his "alleged" conviction for tax evasion? I am not being sarcastic, I am just wondering - the man signed the confession and accepted a lifetime ban - maybe as that was when some of you were not born or infants you don't grasp that - there is nothing "alleged" about his gambling, his placing bets using phones in the locker room and dug out, gamblers in the locker room, gambling on his own team betting on baseball is the #1 sin in baseball and how any student of the Chicago White Sox, or the Cincinnati Reds for that matter, can not understand that, well, I can't fathom that either

no biggie 1549 - I am getting psyched for football - you too?

the scam was pocketing the money and not reporting it - which is tax evasion as you point out, and that is a scam, a scheme to get money and not report it, as I said, and baseball (i.e. autograph sessions) was the means to the scam and tax evasion is theft

complete MLB denial story even now, read towards the end, even now - Rose refuses to admit his violation of the most basic rule of baseball. "we made mistakes..." Who is "we"? Is he royalty speaking in the royal "we"? He goes from this unpsecified "we" and unspecified "mistakes" to "I love baseball." I bet you love baseball, Mr. Rose, and you do not belong in the MLB and certainly not as a member of the HOF. All of his baseball accomplishments are in the hall. The membership in the select HOF is not there as it should not be. Besides the fact of hsi betting on baseball, there is the other matter - his felony conviction for scamming at autograph sessions and other baseball related things. He served his time in the pen and that is behind him, the legal ramifications - but this is yet another area where he besmirched the game and for that he does not belong in the HOF.

Hell no to the ultimate power the man placed bets in the dug-out on his own team - there is nothing more threatening to the integrity of the game

St JosE6 Valentin

No way no how does he belong in MLB baseball - we have discussed in the past to death - I am not voting because the categories are not something I am comfortable with at all. He accepted the lifetime ban on baseball when he and his battery of lawyers choose that option as a way to keep sealed the details of his gambling exploits - violating the one cardinal rule of baseball - and the Giamatti report is enough of a statement on what Rose did that was in total violation of baseball rules and total corruption. If Giamatti were alive, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Rose is lucky Giamatti is dead. Rose gets mentioned in the HOF in displays for his accomplishments, which are fact. But for him to be in the Hall of Fame as a member, no way in hell.

about says it all for me except I am a bit more hardcore, but Spiff says it well enough

mags

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r alomar ks - up to CLee

down by two, single by Burke

bases loaded and former angel Burke is at bat, down by 3 with one out

apologies to PK in order there

LOB is the total number left on baseball and no way is it 15 stranded may refer to the total nuymber each batter has left but there is no f***ing way we have 15 LOB

Colon has something - he has his refusal to cover home plate on a wild pitch so that a run scores. I guess he is too good to actually field or playu the game once the ball leaves his hand - actually his head being "in" the game reminded me a lot of D'angelo Jimenez.

mario, check your PM check with Jason - be in touch with stuff being sent out asap